System of Equations with Two Unknowns, Algebra Help

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations with two unknowns, specifically finding values for 'a' and 'f' using given constants. The equations provided are Fr - fR = I(a/R) and F + f = ma. The participant successfully calculates 'a' as 16⅓ but struggles to derive 'f' from the equations. Clarification is sought on an alternative expression for 'f' that omits 'F', leading to the conclusion that 'F' should be included in the final formula. Cramer's rule is suggested as an effective method for solving the system of equations.
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Homework Statement



I have two equations with two unknowns. I know m, F, R, r and I. I need to find a and f.

m = 2
F = 28
R = 0.25
I = 0.0625
r = 0.1875

I know the ultimate answers are a = 16\frac{1}{3} and f = 4\frac{2}{3}

Homework Equations



(1) Fr-fR=I\frac{a}{R}

(2) F+f=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



Fr-I\frac{a}{R}=fR

f=\frac{Fr}{R}-I\frac{a}{R^2}

I(1+\frac{r}{R})=a(m+\frac{I}{R^2})

a=F(\frac{1+\frac{r}{R}}{m+\frac{I}{R^2}})

28(\frac{1+\frac{0.1875}{0.25}}{2+\frac{0.0625}{0.25^2}}) = ?

16.333 (Yay!)

I can't get back to f from here. :( Help!
 
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From (2) ##f = ma - F## so plug your numbers in.
 
Ok, fair enough. But the answer guide said you could arrive at the following equation for f and I want to know how they got it:

f=\frac{\frac{r}{R}-\frac{I}{mR^2}}{1+\frac{I}{mR^2}}
 
kwixson said:
Ok, fair enough. But the answer guide said you could arrive at the following equation for f and I want to know how they got it:

f=\frac{\frac{r}{R}-\frac{I}{mR^2}}{1+\frac{I}{mR^2}}

F is missing from the expression for f. It should be

f=F\frac{\frac{r}{R}-\frac{I}{mR^2}}{1+\frac{I}{mR^2}}

Plug in your equation a=F(\frac{1+\frac{r}{R}}{m+\frac{I}{R^2}}) for a into the equation f+F=ma.

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kwixson said:

Homework Statement



I have two equations with two unknowns. I know m, F, R, r and I. I need to find a and f.

m = 2
F = 28
R = 0.25
I = 0.0625
r = 0.1875

I know the ultimate answers are a = 16\frac{1}{3} and f = 4\frac{2}{3}

Homework Equations



(1) Fr-fR=I\frac{a}{R}

(2) F+f=ma
In matrix form, your system of equations is
$$\begin{pmatrix} R & \frac{I}{R} \\ -1 & m \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} f \\ a \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} Fr \\ F \end{pmatrix}$$ A good technique in cases like this one is to use Cramer's rule. It'll get you the solution with minimal algebra.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cramer's_rule#Applications
 

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