Taking Derivative of Av-2exp(s/R): Solve Tds-Pdv

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The discussion focuses on deriving the equation for a system defined by u = Av-2exp(s/R) to express it in the form du = Tds - Pdv. The key equations used include the relationships du = ∂u/∂s ds + ∂u/∂v dv, ∂u/∂s = T, and ∂u/∂v = -P. Participants clarify that the partial derivative of exp(s/R) with respect to s yields 1/Rexp(s/R), while the partial derivative with respect to v is zero due to (s/R) being constant. The final goal is to express the energy change in terms of temperature and pressure.

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Homework Statement



I have a system that is defined by the equation:

u = Av-2exp(s/R)

I'm looking for the final temperature of the system knowing that as the system changes, pressure will be halved and (s/R) will be a constant.

The equation which relates energy, temperature, and pressure is du = Tds - Pdv

How do I take the derivative of Av-2exp(s/R) to get it in the form Tds - Pdv?

Homework Equations



[tex]\partial[/tex]u[tex]\partial[/tex]s=T
[tex]\partial[/tex]u[tex]\partial[/tex]v=-P
du = [tex]\partial[/tex]u[tex]\partial[/tex]s ds + [tex]\partial[/tex]u[tex]\partial[/tex]v dv

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Do I take the partial derivative of the whole thing for v, then add another term that is the partial derivative of the whole thing for s?

-2Av-3exp(s/R) + partial derivative for exp(s/R) with respect to s = du?

And, when you're taking the derivative of exp(s/R), does it come out something like: 1/Rexp(s/R)?
 
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I think what you're looking for is what's called the total differential, du.

In your problem,
[tex]du = \frac{\partial u}{\partial s}~ds~+~\frac{\partial u}{\partial v}~dv[/tex]

Starting with u = Av-2es/R, take each partial derivative and substitute it into the preceding formula.

And, when you're taking the derivative of exp(s/R), does it come out something like: 1/Rexp(s/R)?
It depends on which partial you're taking. If you take the partial of u w.r.t s, yes, that's right. If you're taking the partial of u wrt v, though, it doesn't. That partial is 0, since es/R is a constant as far as v is concerned.
 
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