Derivative of an Nasty Exponential Function

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The problem involves finding the derivative of an expression that includes an exponential function and an integral with a variable limit of integration. The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus in differentiation of integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of an integral where the variable appears as an upper limit. Some suggest using the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus to clarify the relationship between the integral and its derivative. Others propose testing specific functions for P(s) to observe patterns in the derivatives.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. Some have expressed uncertainty about the process, while others have begun to recognize patterns in their examples. No explicit consensus has been reached, but productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of maintaining the integrity of the limits of integration when differentiating. There is also a recognition that the integral represents a function of x, rather than a fixed number, which adds complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement


The question is given just like this:
##\frac{d}{dx}(exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds)## = ?
I assume they want me to find the derivative of the whole thing.

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I'm thinking the first step is:
##\frac{d}{dx}(exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds) = (exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds)(\frac{d}{dx}\int_1^x P(s)\ ds)##

Unfortunately I don't know how to deal with the derivative of the integral now since the X is one of the limits of integration and not part of the function. I'm not sure I've ever seen a problem like this before. o_O
 
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I've used something similar in one of @micromass ' challenges. I think it helps to write the integral according to the fundamental theorem as ##\int_1^x f = F(x) - F(1)## but I'm not sure.
 
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Drakkith said:
Unfortunately I don't know how to deal with the derivative of the integral now since the X is one of the limits of integration and not part of the function. I'm not sure I've ever seen a problem like this before. o_O

Well, too much of a hint will give away the answer. But to get an idea of how this works, try a couple of examples for P(s).
For example,
  • Try P(s) = 1: What is \int_0^x P(s) ds? What's its derivative?
  • Try P(s) = s: What is \int_0^x P(s) ds? What's its derivative?
  • Try P(s) = s^2.
Do you see the pattern?
 
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The first part of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus says, in essence, that ##\frac d{dx} \left(\int_a^x f(t)dt\right) = f(x)##.
 
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I should add that things have to be exactly as I wrote them. I.e., if we're differentiating with respect to x, x has to be the upper limit of integration. Likewise, if the differentiation is with respect to, say, r, r has to be the upper limit of integration.

Also, although the integral appears to be a definite integral (which would imply that the integral represents a fixed number), it's really a function of x. Different values of x produce different values for the integral.
 
stevendaryl said:
Well, too much of a hint will give away the answer. But to get an idea of how this works, try a couple of examples for P(s).
For example,
  • Try P(s) = 1: What is \int_0^x P(s) ds? What's its derivative?
  • Try P(s) = s: What is \int_0^x P(s) ds? What's its derivative?
  • Try P(s) = s^2.
Do you see the pattern?

Indeed. When I put those values in for P(s) it appears that the derivative to each integral is simply P(s) (or P(x) rather).

Mark44 said:
The first part of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus says, in essence, that ##\frac d{dx} \left(\int_a^x f(t)dt\right) = f(x)##.

So it does. I certainly feel silly now. o:)So that would mean that: ##\frac{d}{dx}(exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds) = (exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds)(\frac{d}{dx}\int_1^x P(s)\ ds) =(exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds)P(x) ##
 
Drakkith said:
Indeed. When I put those values in for P(s) it appears that the derivative to each integral is simply P(s) (or P(x) rather).
So it does. I certainly feel silly now. o:)So that would mean that: ##\frac{d}{dx}(exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds) = (exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds)(\frac{d}{dx}\int_1^x P(s)\ ds) =(exp\int_1^x P(s)\ ds)P(x) ##
Looks good.
 
Thanks all!
 

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