Taking e to a complex power (telecommunication formula)

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The discussion revolves around a telecommunications formula used to calculate the magnitude of a wave on a transmission line, specifically focusing on the expression VO = VI e^(-yi), where the variables represent voltage and propagation characteristics. Participants are exploring the implications of taking the exponential of a complex number in this context.

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  • Participants attempt to rewrite the formula using the definition of the exponential of a complex number. There are questions about the correct application of the negative exponent and the handling of the complex components in the calculations.

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There is ongoing exploration of the correct method to apply the formula, with some participants providing clarifications on the handling of complex numbers. Multiple interpretations of the calculations are being discussed, and guidance has been offered regarding the proper multiplication of the complex components.

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Hello, I am have this telecommunications formula which calculates the magnitude of a wave on a transmission line:
VO = VI e^(-yi)

where:
VO = voltage out.
VI = voltage in (5)
y = propagation coefficient (0.745 + j1.279)
i = length of line (2500)

I am trying to use it to calculate the magnitude of a wave on a transmission line that is:
- 2.5km from the source
- whose input signal is 5V

My attempt is to write it out as below:
VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

But I am unsure if I am have written this out correctly and if so, how to take 'e' to the power of a complex number.

Any help regarding how to finish this would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Here's the definition of the exponential of a complex number:

e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

where a,b are the real and imaginary parts of the complex number.
 
thanks for that.
My attempt is below but I doubt I have implemented the "negative" y exponent correctly. Could someone please tell me how I have gone wrong.

Original formula:
VO = VI e^(-yi)
= VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

My rewrite using:
e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

is:

5 * e^(-0.745)(-cos 1.279 - sin 1.279)(2500)

= 0.4747(-1.022)(2500)

= -1212.94

jbunniii said:
Here's the definition of the exponential of a complex number:

e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

where a,b are the real and imaginary parts of the complex number.
 
fran1942 said:
thanks for that.
My attempt is below but I doubt I have implemented the "negative" y exponent correctly. Could someone please tell me how I have gone wrong.

Original formula:
VO = VI e^(-yi)
= VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

My rewrite using:
e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

is:

5 * e^(-0.745)(-cos 1.279 - sin 1.279)(2500)

= 0.4747(-1.022)(2500)

= -1212.94

No, you dropped the "i" in the term i*sin b. Your result should be a complex number.

Also, isn't the 2500 part of the exponent?
 
Thanks for your patience. I have tried again. Is this an improvement ?

Original formula:
VO = VI e^(-yi)
= VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

My rewrite using:
e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

is:

5 * e^(-0.745*2500)(-cos 1.279 - isin 1.279)

= -1862.5(-.9998 - j.0223)


jbunniii said:
Here's the definition of the exponential of a complex number:

e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

where a,b are the real and imaginary parts of the complex number.
 
fran1942 said:
Thanks for your patience. I have tried again. Is this an improvement ?

Original formula:
VO = VI e^(-yi)
= VO = 5*e^((-0.745 + j1.279)2500)

My rewrite using:
e^(a + bi) = (e^a)(cos b + i*sin b)

is:

5 * e^(-0.745*2500)(-cos 1.279 - isin 1.279)

= -1862.5(-.9998 - j.0223)

No, this still isn't right. Multiply out the complex number first:

(-0.745 + j1.279)2500 = -1862.5 + j*3197.5

Then a = -1862.5, b = 3197.5
 

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