Tangent line of curve of intersection

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The problem involves finding the parametric equations of the tangent line to the curve of intersection between a paraboloid and an ellipsoid at a specified point. The subject area includes multivariable calculus and vector calculus concepts, particularly focusing on gradients and parametric equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of finding the curve of intersection and the use of the gradient vector. There is uncertainty about the necessity of converting to polar coordinates and the correct form of the parametric equations. Some participants explore the idea of using a vector equation to derive the tangent line.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to derive the tangent line. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of parametric equations and the importance of linearity in the parameter. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the direction of the tangent vector.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the specific point of intersection and the requirement for the equations to be in parametric form. There is mention of expected outcomes that are not aligning with participants' attempts, indicating potential misunderstandings or misapplications of concepts.

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Homework Statement



Find the parametric equations of the line tangent to the curve of intersection of the paraboloid
z = x² + y² and the ellipsoid 4x² + y² + z² = 9 at the point ( -1, 1, 2 ).

Homework Equations



Probable use of the gradient vector (as this is the chapter we are in)

The Attempt at a Solution



I have found what I believe to be the curve of intersection by setting the equations of the surfaces equal to each other:

x² + y² - z = 4x² + y² + z² - 9
9 = 3x² + z² + z
F(x,y,z) = 3x² + z² + z - 9 (as a function)

And the corresponding gradient vector:
< 6x, 0, 2z + 1 >

But I cannot figure out how to convert this from cartesian to polar (or if I even need to) and get the correct answer. I've tried several paths (i.e. substituting x=rcosσ) but my answer never matches the expected answer, which contains no trigonometry. Does the correct approach involve substituting x² + y² for z? This seems to be the most logical approach but I haven't been able to apply it correctly.
 
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It is unclear to me why you want the tangent line in polar coordinates. The text seems only to call for a parametric line, eg. [itex]\bar{r} = \bar{k} t +\bar{r}_0[/itex].
 
Your right! I was thinking of a vector equation. Then I suppose the parametric equations would look something like: x = -1 +3t², y = 1, z = 3 + t² ? But that still doesn't contain the expected y component, I must be doing something wrong yet.
 
A line parametric in, say, t should be linear in t, otherwise its not a line. Think about which point the line passes through and what vector direction it "follows" from that point as t varies.
 
I remember why I wanted the vector equation. The only way I can think to find the tangent line is by taking the derivative of a vector equation.
 
Never mind. By crossing the gradients I found the tangent vector. This makes perfect sense, it was so simple :D :D
 

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