Tangent vector to a curve (Differential geometry/Lie theory).

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the tangent vector to a curve defined in the special orthogonal group SO(3) at the identity matrix. The curve is given by a matrix function c(s) that represents a rotation, and the task is to determine the tangent vector at the point corresponding to s = 0.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of a tangent vector as a differential operator and its application in this context. There is an exploration of using the Lie algebra associated with SO(3) to find the tangent vector. Some participants question the appropriateness of certain mathematical expressions and clarify the differentiation process involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the differentiation process and the relationship between the tangent vector and the Lie algebra. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of derivatives in this context, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the tangent vector.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the relationship between the matrix representation of the curve and the corresponding elements of the Lie algebra. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in differentiating functions with respect to matrix variables.

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Homework Statement



Let c(s) = \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \cos(s) &amp; -\sin(s) &amp; 0 \\<br /> \sin(s) &amp; \cos(s) &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right) be a curve in SO(3). Find the tangent vector to this curve at I_3.

Homework Equations



Presumably, the definition of a tangent vector as a differential operator would be useful here:
If X is the tangent vector to c(s) at I_3 (i.e. s = 0), then for functions f: SO(3) \rightarrow \mathbb{R},
X\left[ f \right] = \frac{df\left(c\left(s\right)\right)}{ds}|_{s=0}

The Attempt at a Solution


The fact that this problem is found in the section of the textbook (Nakahara, Geometry, Topology and Physics) dealing with Lie groups and Lie algebras, together with the fact that the problem asks for the tangent vector to c(s) at the identity leads me to think that we are supposed to use the Lie algebra in some way. However, I can't see how one would do that, so I've tried proceeding naively from the definition:
X\left[ f \right] = \frac{df\left(c\left(s\right)\right)}{ds}|_{s=0}
= \frac{df}{dc} \frac{dc}{ds}|_{s=0}
= \frac{df}{dc} \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 0 &amp; -1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \end{array} \right)

I have no idea how to proceed from here.

Thanks for any and all help!

EDIT: I quickly realized how trivial this is.
 
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You are already done. Sort of. X[f] would indeed be df(c(s))/ds at s=0. But that would be a real number. Writing something like df/dc is a little misguided. That would be the derivative of a real function with respect to a matrix. It would be tough to clearly define that. I think all they really want is the matrix dc/ds at s=0. And that you already have.
 
Am I correct in thinking that the corresponding tangent vector (i.e. element of the Lie algebra so(3) \cong T_eSO(3)) would be -\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{12}} +\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{21}}?

Thanks for the help.
 
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Am I correct in thinking that the corresponding tangent vector (i.e. element of the Lie algebra so(3) \cong T_eSO(3)) would be -\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{12}} +\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{21}}?

Thanks for the help.

Yes, you could write it that way. That would tell you how X acts on a function f:SO(3)->R.
 
I know why I went wrong - what I didn't realize is that by differentiation wrt c, I really meant partial differentiation wrt c^ij (and differentiation of c^ij wrt s) As soon as you do that the problem is trivial.
 

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