Tangential velocity of rotating rod

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The discussion revolves around the tangential velocity of a rotating rod, particularly focusing on the equations of motion and energy conservation principles involved in the problem. Participants are examining the relationships between tension, normal force, and angular velocity in the context of rotational dynamics.

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  • Participants are analyzing the derivation of the final velocity expression and questioning the correctness of the moment of inertia used in the calculations. There are discussions about the dependency of the results on the angle theta and attempts to clarify the implications of this dependency.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the moment of inertia. Some participants express confusion about the elimination of theta from the results, while others clarify that all results indeed depend on theta. There is a recognition of a mistake regarding the moment of inertia, which has prompted further exploration of the problem.

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Homework Statement
A homogeneous rod of mass ##m## and length ##L## can rotate without friction around the pin ##O##. The rod is balanced in the situation in the figure thanks to the presence of an ideal horizontal rope fixed to the vertical wall, which causes the angle between the wall and rod to be ##\theta##. Calculate: 1) Tension ##T## of the rope and the reaction ##N## of the pin; 2) the kinetic energy of the rod when it reaches the vertical position after the rope has been cut; 3) the tangential speed of the free end of the rod when it reaches the vertical position
Relevant Equations
##\tau=r\times F, F=ma, E=U_{grav}+E_K, E_{K_rot}=\frac{1}{2}I\omega^2##
1) ##LT\sin(\frac{\pi}{2}-\theta)-\frac{L}{2}mg\sin\theta=0\Rightarrow T=\frac{mg}{2}\tan\theta##.

##N_{x}-T=0, N_{y}-mg=0\Rightarrow N=\sqrt{N_x ^2+N_y ^2}=mg\sqrt{(\frac{\tan\theta}{2})^2 +1}##

2) ##E_{k_{fin}}=mg\frac{L}{2}[1+\cos\theta]##

3) ##mg\frac{L}{2}[\cos\theta+1]=\frac{1}{2}I_O \omega_f^2=\frac{1}{2}(\frac{1}{12}mL^2) \omega_f^2\Rightarrow \omega_f=\sqrt{\frac{12g[\cos\theta +1]}{L}}\Rightarrow v_f=L\omega_f=\sqrt{12gL[1+\cos\theta]}##

Now the first two results are correct, but for ##v_f## the book gives ##v_f=\sqrt{3gL[1+\cos\theta]}## and I don't see why so I would appreciate an explanation. Thanks

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##mg\frac{L}{2}[\cos\theta+1]=\frac{1}{2}I_O \omega_f^2=\frac{1}{2}(I_{CM}+m(\frac{L}{2})^2 \omega_f^2=\frac{1}{2}((\frac{1}{12}+\frac{1}{4})mL^2 ) \omega_f^2=\frac{1}{6}mL^2\omega_f^2\Rightarrow \omega_f=\sqrt{\frac{3g[\cos\theta +1]}{L}}\Rightarrow v_f=L\omega_f=\sqrt{3gL[1+\cos\theta]}##
 

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Physically how could the result not depend upon theta?
How did you eliminate it?
 
hutchphd said:
Physically how could the result not depend upon theta?
How did you eliminate it?
I don't get what you are referring to: every single one of the results depends on ##\theta##.
 
lorenz0 said:
I don't get what you are referring to: every single one of the results depends on θ.
Oops sorry it got cut off on my display!
 
lorenz0 said:
##\dots## and I don't see why so I would appreciate an explanation. Thanks
You used the wrong moment of inertia. The rod is rotating about its end, not about its CM.
 
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kuruman said:
You used the wrong moment of inertia. The rod is rotating about its end, not about its CM.
Ah, of course! Such a stupid mistake. Thank you very much!
 

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