Taylor Series: Equivalence of Two Forms Explained

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The discussion centers around the equivalence of two forms of the Taylor series, specifically how the expression for f(x+h) relates to the standard Taylor series expansion of f(x) around different points. Participants explore the derivation and implications of these forms, touching on theoretical aspects of Taylor series and their applications.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the first form of the Taylor series from the second, indicating a lack of clarity on the equivalence.
  • Another participant suggests replacing variables in the second equation to show how it can be derived from the first, proposing a substitution method.
  • A different approach is introduced where a function g(h) is defined as x+h, leading to the conclusion that f(x+h) can be expressed as the Taylor series of (f o g)(h).
  • Clarification is sought regarding the notation and reasoning behind the expression f^{(k)}(x+0) in the context of derivatives.
  • Further discussion reveals that the h^k term arises from the Taylor series expansion of a function of h, with x treated as a constant.
  • One participant notes the inconsistency in how Taylor series are presented across different texts, highlighting various forms and preferences for expansion points.
  • There is a mention of multi-index notation for Taylor series in higher dimensions, which some participants find useful for compacting expressions.
  • Another participant introduces an operator form for Taylor series in multiple dimensions, suggesting a different perspective on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the topic, indicating that there is no consensus on the best method to derive the equivalence or on the preferred forms of the Taylor series.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the Taylor series can be expanded around different points, which may lead to confusion depending on the definitions and assumptions made. There is also mention of potential singularities or undefined points in certain expansions.

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I don't get how these two forms of the taylor series are equivalent:

f(x+h)= \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{f^k(x)}{k!} h^k

f(x) = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{f^k(0)}{k!}x^k

The second one makes sense but I just can't derive the first form using the second. I know its something very simple but I keep confusing myself!
 
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Replace x by x' in the second eqn.
Then the second eqn. is gotten from the first by

x=0
x'=h
 
Or, let g(h)=x+h. Then, f(x+h)=(f o g)(h).

The first equation is the Taylor (MacLaurin) series of (f o g)(h).

(f\circ g)^{(k)}(0) = (f^{(k)}\circ g)(0)\cdot 1=f^{(k)}(x+0)=f^{(k)}(x)

\Rightarrow f(x+h)=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{f^{(k)}(x)}{k!}h^k
 
quasar987 said:
(f\circ g)^{(k)}(0) = (f^{(k)}\circ g)(0)\cdot 1=f^{(k)}(x+0)=f^{(k)}(x)
Your approach makes sense but could you explain the above line in a little more detail. Specifically, I don't get how you got f^{(k)}(x+0) in the above equation.
 
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(f^{(k)}\circ g)(0)\cdot 1=f^{(k)}(g(0))=f^{(k)}(x+0)=f^{(k)}(x).

Sorry for steping in, I was bored.
 
Thanks!...
 
quasar987 said:
Or, let g(h)=x+h. Then, f(x+h)=(f o g)(h).

The first equation is the Taylor (MacLaurin) series of (f o g)(h).

(f\circ g)^{(k)}(0) = (f^{(k)}\circ g)(0)\cdot 1=f^{(k)}(x+0)=f^{(k)}(x)

\Rightarrow f(x+h)=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{f^{(k)}(x)}{k!}h^k

Actually, I am still kinda confused. I know now how you got f^{(k)}(x) but how did you get h^k?
 
Because we'Re computing the Taylor series of a function of h. Recall, I set g(h)=x+h, a function of h. x is considered constant. And this h dependence is passed on to f(x+h): f(x+h)=(f o g)(h).
 
Taylor series are something that is never written consistently, with some authors choosing to expand the series in x about zero, and others choosing to expand the series in h(or a) about x. Still more choose to evaluate the function at x, with the series expanded around a point a, and the powers being of (x-a). So you can see lots of things like:

f(x) = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{f^k(0)}{k!}x^k

f(x+h)= \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{f^k(x)}{k!} h^k

f(x)= \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{f^k(a)}{k!} (x-a)^k

Now personally, I prefer to expand in x about the point a, as there is no guarantee that you will be able to expand about zero. The function may not even be defined there, or may be singular. Secondly, it's nice to be able to just write f(x), and not have to worry too much about the "arbitrary but fixed" point a (detest this phrase). You can keep the regular f(x) notation and then just change a at will.

By the way, anyone interested in Taylor series in higher dimensions should look into the rather nice multi-index notation for multi-variable analysis. It enables you to wite things like.

f(\mathbf{x})=\sum_{|\grave{\alpha}| \ge 0} \frac{\mathbf{D}^{\grave{\alpha}}f(\mathbf{x})}{\grave{\alpha}!} (\mathbf{x}-\mathbf{a})^{\grave{\alpha}}

Here \mathbf{x} is vector of n variables (x_1,x_2,...x_n), and \grave{\alpha} is... complicated. It's called multi-index notation and is very useful for compacting the oft times awkward Taylor expansions in n dimensions. It takes a bit of getting used to but is worth it.

My personal favourite is it's compression of the inherantly forgettable, but undeniably useful multinomial expansion.
(x_1 + x_2 + \cdots + x_n )^k = k! \sum_{|\grave{\alpha}|=k} \frac{\mathbf{a}^{\grave{\alpha}}}{\grave{\alpha}!}

Which is a good deal more memorable than the usual expansion.
 
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For taylor series in multiple dimensions, the easiest form to use is the operator

e^{\mathbf{r}.\hat{\nabla}

which gives

e^{\mathbf{r}.\hat{\nabla}} f(0)=f(\mathbf{r})
 

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