Taylor's Theorem for Sin(a+x) and Proving Convergence | Homework Solution

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The discussion revolves around applying Taylor's theorem to expand the function sin(a+x) in powers of x and proving the convergence of the remainder term as n approaches infinity. Participants are exploring the implications of the theorem and the behavior of the remainder term in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the form of the Taylor expansion for sin(a+x) and question the definition of the remainder term Rn. There are attempts to establish bounds for Rn and explore the behavior of the limit of the expression involving Rn.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance to each other. Some are questioning the assumptions about the behavior of the remainder term and its bounds, while others are exploring specific cases to understand the limit better.

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There is a focus on the conditions of the problem, particularly the constraints on y in the remainder term and the implications of the function's behavior for different values of x.

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Homework Statement



Taylor's theorem can be stated f(a+x)=f(a)+xf'(a)+(1/2!)(x^2)f''(a)+...+(1/n!)(x^n)Rn
where Rn=fn(a+y), 0≤y≤x
Use this form of Taylor's theorem to find an expansion of sin(a+x) in powers of x, and show that in this case, mod([itex]\frac{x^n Rn}{n!}[/itex])[itex]\rightarrow[/itex]0 as n[itex]\rightarrow[/itex][itex]\infty[/itex] for all x.

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sin(a+x)=sin(a)+xcos(a)-[itex]\frac{1}{2!}[/itex]x^2sin(a)-[itex]\frac{1}{3!}[/itex]x^3cos(a)...

I don't know how to prove the next bit. Also, I don't understand why Rn=fn(a+y) rather than Rn=fn(A). Any help would be great.
 
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I'm still stuck on this. Any help would be brilliant!
 
Hi Lucy Yeats! :smile:

##R_n=f^{(n)}(a+y)## is part of the remainder term.
Taylor's theorem states that there is such an y so that the remainder term is equal to the sum of the remaining terms in the series.

You already have the expansion for sin(a+x), although perhaps you should find a generic formula for the terms.

Furthermore you would need to find the limit of the remainder term.
Can you think of an upper and a lower bound for Rn?
 
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Hello again!

The question says 0≤y≤x, so maybe fn(a)≤Rn≤fn(a+x)?
 
Lucy Yeats said:
Hello again!

The question says 0≤y≤x, so maybe fn(a)≤Rn≤fn(a+x)?

That would only be true if fn would be a monotonically increasing function.
But sines and cosines are notorious for it that they are not.

What do you think ##f^{(n)}(u)## looks like, knowing that f(u)=sin(u)?
 
fn(u) is always between 1 and -1?
 
How did you come to that idea?
 
Because the gradient is always sin, cos, -sin, or -cos, which have ranges between -1 and 1.
 
Right!

So...
 
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Can I have another hint? I really can't see the next step.
 
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You are supposed to find the limit of ##|\frac{x^n R_n}{n!}|##.
What do you know and what can you say about this limit?
 
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So mod(Rn) is between -1 and 1, so I thought about the x^n/n! part. The limit will only be zero if x is less than one. But x could be greater than 1, so I'm confused.
 
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So suppose x>1, say x=100.
What will x^n/n! be for large(r) values of n?
 
  • #14
So if x=100, 100^n>n!
 
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Lucy Yeats said:
So if x=100, 100^n>n!

How do you know that 100^n>n! ?
Is that true for every n?
 
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Is that ony true if n<x?
 
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Let's pick a smaller value for x, say x=3.

Then x^3 = 3x3x3 > 1x2x3 = n!
x^4 = 3x3x3x3 > 1x2x3x4 = n!
What do you get for n=5, 6, 7, 10, 100?
 
  • #18
Hey Lucy!

Did you give up on this thread?
That would be a pity!
 

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