Technical question in multi-variable differentiation

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The discussion revolves around multi-variable differentiation in the context of complex functions, specifically examining the implications of a constant modulus for a function expressed in terms of its real and imaginary components.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore whether it is valid to differentiate the components u and v independently when considering the derivatives of the squared modulus of a complex function. There is uncertainty about the implications of differentiating u^2 and v^2 separately.

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Some participants assert that differentiating u and v independently is not permissible, while others provide examples to illustrate their points. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the differentiation of functions under the condition of a constant modulus.

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There is a reference to a proof in complex analysis that connects the constancy of |f| to the behavior of its derivatives, indicating that the participants are navigating through established mathematical principles and their applications.

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Let f(x+iy)=u(x,y)+iv(x,y). Suppose we know |f|^2=u^2+v^2 is a constant function. Then we are allowed to say that (u^2+v^2)_x=(u^2+v^2)_y=0. But are we allowed to differentiate u by x and v by y? IE, are we allowed to make the following statement:
(u^2)_x+(v^2)_y=0

I'm guessing 'no', but I'm not too sure why. Intuitively, I would guess that you could change u and v in such a way that those changes balance each other out? (Very unclear way to say it...)
 
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no youre not allowed.

add the functions together and differentiate it with respect to whatever subscipt it is
 
Not you're not allowed. Consider for instance the functions u²=2x+3y and v²=-2x-3y. Then (u^2+v^2)_x=(u^2+v^2)_y=0, but (u^2)_x+(v^2)_y=-1
 
jjou said:
Let f(x+iy)=u(x,y)+iv(x,y). Suppose we know |f|^2=u^2+v^2 is a constant function. Then we are allowed to say that (u^2+v^2)_x=(u^2+v^2)_y=0. But are we allowed to differentiate u by x and v by y? IE, are we allowed to make the following statement:
(u^2)_x+(v^2)_y=0

I'm guessing 'no', but I'm not too sure why. Intuitively, I would guess that you could change u and v in such a way that those changes balance each other out? (Very unclear way to say it...)
Perhaps you could but that has nothing to do with the derivative. My question is why on Earth would you even consider that u^2_x+ v^2_y= 0?
 
My friend and I used that in a complex analysis proof that, for a function f(x+iy) = u(x,y)+iv(x,y) that is holomorphic on an open set, if |f| is constant then f is constant.

If |f| is constant, then |f|^2 = u^2+v^2 is constant. Then the derivatives (u^2+v^2)_x and (u^2+v^2)_y = 0.

We then also used the fact that (u^2)_x+(v^2)_y = 0 and manipulated the three equations using the Cauchy-Riemann equations to show that all partials were equal to zero (u_x = u_y = v_x = v_y = 0).

Will have to rethink the proof...
 

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