Tennis ball's final velocity without it's initial

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a tennis ball and racket, focusing on the impulse applied to the ball and its final velocity. The problem presents a scenario where the initial velocity of the ball is not provided, leading to questions about assumptions and the application of conservation laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of assuming the ball's initial velocity is zero and discuss the necessity of determining it through conservation of energy and momentum. There are inquiries about the validity of the assumptions made regarding the collision type.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the assumptions that can be made and suggesting methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of conservation principles, though no consensus has been reached on the initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the initial velocity of the ball, with some participants suggesting it may be zero while others caution against making that assumption. The final velocity of the racket is stated to be zero, which may influence the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Here is the question I'm trying to answer:

A tennis player hits a 1.45 kg tennis ball with a racket of mass 2.5 kg. If he hits the ball with a velocity of 7.5 m/s and then stops, what impulse did he imply on the ball? What is the ball’s velocity?


Homework Equations


Δpball = -Δpracket = mvi - mvf
ma initialva initial + mb initialvb initial = ma finalva final + mb finalvb final

The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to determine the impulse on the ball as 2.5 * 7.5, which is 18.75 kg m/s (ignoring sig figs for now). What I'm stuck on is how to determine the balls final velocity without the problem stating the initial velocity. Should I assume the initial is 0 m/s (this seems wrong). I'm thinking there has to be another formula to use, but I can't figure it out. Without knowing the ball's initial velocity or the time of impact I'm out of ideas.
 
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Forgot to mention two things:
1. It's a little unclear, but the racket's final velocity is 0m/s.
2. I did search other forums and found some similar ones to this one, but none looking for the ball's final velocity without mentioning it's initial.
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
It's implied that the initial velocity is zero.
 
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Okay, thank you dauto.
 
danyork said:
A tennis player hits a 1.45 kg tennis ball with a racket of mass 2.5 kg. If he hits the ball with a velocity of 7.5 m/s and then stops, what impulse did he imply on the ball? What is the ball’s velocity?
That's one monster of a tennis ball, about 26 times the standard mass.
Even so, if the mass of the racket exceeds the mass of the ball yet the racket is brought to rest by the impact then something very strange is going on. The KE has increased!
 
Don't assume that the ball's initial velocity is zero, but solve for it, using energy and momentum conservation. You can then use that value to find the ball's final velocity.
 
tms said:
Don't assume that the ball's initial velocity is zero, but solve for it, using energy and momentum conservation. You can then use that value to find the ball's final velocity.

Yes, that makes more sense, but you have to assume the collision is perfectly elastic.
 
haruspex said:
Yes, that makes more sense, but you have to assume the collision is perfectly elastic.
That's a pretty common assumption in introductory physics problems, especially those with three-pound tennis balls.
 

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