Tension and Angles of Frame on Wall

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The problem involves a frame suspended against a wall by two wires, with the challenge of determining the angle the wires make with the vertical given that the tension in each wire is 0.75 times the weight of the frame. The context includes considerations of equilibrium and the forces acting on the frame.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the tension in the wires and the weight of the frame, questioning how to express the weight in terms of variables. There is exploration of equilibrium conditions and the vertical components of the tension forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying the relationship between the forces and the angles involved. Some have offered guidance on how to approach the equilibrium condition, while others are exploring different interpretations of the weight distribution among the wires.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of specific numerical values for the weight of the frame, which leads to discussions about expressing variables in terms of W. Participants are also considering the implications of the tension being a fraction of the weight.

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Homework Statement


A frame hung against a wall is suspended by two wires attached to its upper corners.

If the two wires make the same angle with the vertical, what must this angle be if the tension in each wire is equal to 0.75 of the weight of the frame? (Neglect any friction between the wall and the picture frame.)

Homework Equations



F=ma
w=mg

The Attempt at a Solution



I think it looks something like this:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6182/46664005mf5.jpg

It says .75 weight of frame, so I did the following to convert to N.

w=.75(9.8) = 7.35N

That is 7.35 on each side, and this is the part that get's me "if the tension in each wire is equal to 0.75 of the weight of the frame?"

I am lost, here. but for angle I think it should be something like this arc cos (14.7/7.35)

well at least i tried :D
 
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You are not given the weight of the frame so don't assume any particular value. Instead, just call that weight W.

You are given the tension in the wires in terms of that weight. The tension equals 0.75*weight, so T = 0.75*W.

Now apply the condition for equilibrium, namely that vertical forces acting on the frame must add to zero. (What are the vertical components of the wire tension?)
 
so the tension on each wire is .75w, where w is unknown.

"condition for equilibrium, namely that vertical forces acting on the frame must add to zero."

vertical must add up to w, for them to cancel out, right?

if so where do I go from there.

the angle would not be:::: arc cosine (w/.75w)?
 
Almost! Realize that there are two wires pulling up on the frame.
 
so that means they are sharing the weight, so it should be half of w. ?
 
Heat said:
so that means they are sharing the weight, so it should be half of w. ?
You can certainly think of it that way.
 
so it would be arc cosine of .5w/.75w = arc cosine .66 = 48.19 ?
 
Yep. Looks good.
 
thank you :)
 

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