Tension in the Wire- Thermodynamics Question

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The problem involves a horizontal cylindrical tube with frictionless pistons connected by an inextensible wire. The initial conditions include a gas at temperature To and pressure Po, which equals atmospheric pressure. The task is to find the tension in the wire when the temperature is raised to 3To.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressure, force, and tension in the context of the wire. The original poster questions why the tension is not multiplied by two, considering the forces acting on both ends of the wire. Others clarify the definition of tension and its consistency along the wire.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring the concept of tension in a wire under different force applications. Clarifications have been provided regarding the definition of tension and its behavior when forces are applied. There is an ongoing examination of scenarios involving fixed and free ends of the wire.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the behavior of tension in wires, particularly in relation to forces applied at both ends and the implications of fixed versus free ends.

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Homework Statement


consider a horizontal cylindrical tube of cross sectional area A fitted with two frictionless pistons. The piston are connected to each other by an inextensible wire. Initially, the temperature of the gas is To and its pressure is Po which equals the atmospheric pressure. Find the tension in the wire if the temperature is raised to 3To.

Homework Equations


(P1V1)/T1=(P2V2)/T2

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above equation; as volume is constant, new pressure P'=3Po. So, force applied on one piston=3PoA

Equating with the force from atmospheric pressure outside the tube,
3PoA=PoA+T
So T=2PoA ; which is the required answer.

My question is, isn't this the force on one cross section of the wire? So why isn't this answer multiplied by two?

Thank you for your time!
 
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It's a common mistake to think that if there's a pull F on each end of the wire then the tension must be 2F.
You need to understand how tension is defined. If we say that the tension is T at some point in a wire (need not be the same all along the wire) we mean that if you were to insert a block at that point in the wire the block would experience a pull T on each side. Thus, if the tension is the same all the way along then it is also equal to the force exerted at each end.
Is that your question?
 
haruspex said:
It's a common mistake to think that if there's a pull F on each end of the wire then the tension must be 2F.
You need to understand how tension is defined. If we say that the tension is T at some point in a wire (need not be the same all along the wire) we mean that if you were to insert a block at that point in the wire the block would experience a pull T on each side. Thus, if the tension is the same all the way along then it is also equal to the force exerted at each end.
Is that your question?

Yes, thank you very much! So if there /is/ such a wire which is experiencing a force F on both sides, and assuming it experiences equal tension everywhere; the tension would be F?
 
Cookiey said:
Yes, thank you very much! So if there /is/ such a wire which is experiencing a force F on both sides, and assuming it experiences equal tension everywhere; the tension would be F?
Yes.
 
And if one end of this wire was fixed to a wall and force F was applied on the free end, it would still experience the same tension F as in the earlier case because of reaction force from the wall?
 
Cookiey said:
And if one end of this wire was fixed to a wall and force F was applied on the free end, it would still experience the same tension F as in the earlier case because of reaction force from the wall?
Yes.
 
Chestermiller said:
Yes.
All right, thank you very much!
 

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