Tension problem on an inclined plane

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The problem involves two blocks connected by a string, with one block on a frictionless inclined plane and the other on a horizontal surface with kinetic friction. The goal is to determine the tension in the string after the blocks are released.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive equations of motion for both blocks, considering forces acting on them. There are questions regarding the correct use of trigonometric functions for the inclined plane and the signs in the equations. Some participants suggest checking the equations for accuracy and consistency with the diagram.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the equations and suggesting revisions. There is a focus on clarifying the correct components of gravitational force acting on the inclined block.

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Participants are working with specific values for mass, gravitational acceleration, and friction, while also addressing potential errors in the initial setup and assumptions regarding the angle used in calculations.

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Homework Statement



Block 1 of mass m1=2.0kg and block 2 of mass m2=3.0kg are connected by a string of negligible mass and are initially held in place. Block 2 is on a frictionless surface tilted at theta = 30 degrees. The coefficient of kinetic friction between block 1 and the horizontal surface is .25 The pulley has negligible mass and friction. Once they are released, the blocks move. What then is the tension in the string?

Please see the attached diagram I drew in paint.

Homework Equations



F = ma (Newtons second law)

The Attempt at a Solution



I worked out a solution but I wanted someone to double check my answer because I've been having problems with this:

T = Tension
fk = kinetic friction

Equation for Mass 1: T - (m1)(g)(fk) = (m1)(a)
Equation for Mass 2: (m2)(g)(cos30) - T = (m2)(a)

Combined: (m1)(a)+(m1)(g)(fk) = (m2)(a)+(m2)(g)(cos30)

Plugging in the masses, g = 9.8 and fk = .25 I come up with a = 4.112

Plugging a back into the equation for mass 1 gives me T = 13.124 N

Thanks for any help. I feel like I'm missing part of it or I need to initially set a to 0?
 

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Ηι chronos12, welcome to PF.
Equation for Mass 2: (m2)(g)(cos30) - T = (m2)(a)
Check this equation. In the diagram you have not shown θ.
 
Please see the attached revised diagram showing the angle. There should be a negative sign in front of (m2)(a). On paper I wrote this down - just didn't type it correctly here. The combined equations from my work up should read: (m1)(a)+(m1)(g)(fk) = -(m2)(a)+(m2)(g)(cos30).

When you say check equation 2, I'm thinking this should have been sin(30) instead of cos(30)?

It would then read: (m2)(g)(sin30) - T = (m2)(a)

Combined: (m1)(a)+(m1)(g)(fk) = -(m2)(a)+(m2)(g)(sin30)
The new value for a = 1.96
The new value for T = 8.82 N

Please let me know if I'm correct on this.

Sorry for the bad paint skills, and thanks for the reply!
 

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Component of g along the inclined plane is g*sinθ, not g*cos θ
 
Thanks for the revision!
 

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