How Do You Express the Tensor Product of Hamiltonians?

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The discussion focuses on expressing the tensor product of Hamiltonians in quantum mechanics, specifically using the unitary time evolution operators for two subsystems, represented as ##U_1 \otimes U_2 = (1 - i H_1 \ dt) \otimes (1 - i H_2 \ dt)##. The participants analyze the normalization of states and the implications of neglecting higher-order terms in the time evolution. The goal is to derive a form that maintains normalization while constructing the Hamiltonian for the combined system.

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##U_1 \otimes U_2 = (1- i H_1 \ dt) \otimes (1- i H_2 \ dt)##

We can write ## | \phi_i(t) > \ = U_i(t) | \phi_i(0)>## where i can be 1 or 2 depending on the subsystem. The ## U ##'s are unitary time evolution operators.

Writing as tensor product we get
## |\phi_1 \phi_2> = (1- i H_1 \ dt) | \phi_1(0)> \otimes \ (1- i H_2 \ dt) | \phi_2(0)> ##

Since these states are normalised we may write

## 1 = < \phi_1 \phi_2 | \phi_1 \phi_2 > = < \phi_1(0)| 1 + H^2_1 dt^2 | \phi_1(0)> < \phi_2(0)| 1 + H^2_2 dt^2 | \phi_2(0)> ##

This is as far as I've gotten. Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Woolyabyss said:
Writing as tensor product we get
## |\phi_1 \phi_2> = (1- i H_1 \ dt) | \phi_1(0)> \otimes \ (1- i H_2 \ dt) | \phi_2(0)> ##

Try to express the right hand side in the form ##\left( \mathbb{I}_1 \otimes \mathbb{I}_2 - i ( ?) dt \right) | \, \phi_1(0) \phi_2(0) \, \rangle ##

You will need to fill in the (?) with the appropriate tensor product operator(s). You only want to keep terms up through first order in dt. Looks like you are taking ##\hbar = 1##.

Since these states are normalised we may write

## 1 = < \phi_1 \phi_2 | \phi_1 \phi_2 > = < \phi_1(0)| 1 + H^2_1 dt^2 | \phi_1(0)> < \phi_2(0)| 1 + H^2_2 dt^2 | \phi_2(0)> ##

This is as far as I've gotten. Any help would be appreciated.
You can neglect any terms of order ##dt^2## since you are only expressing things to first order in ##dt##. As a result, this will reduce to something that tells you whether or not the state remains normalized as time passes. But this does not really help with constructing the Hamiltonian for the system.
 
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