Testing the field strength of a permanent bar magnet

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using a solenoid apparatus to measure the magnetic field strength of a small permanent bar magnet. The relevant equation for calculating magnetic field strength is B = mg/IL. Participants highlight that the interaction between the magnetic fields of the solenoid and the permanent magnet complicates the measurement process, as the forces may not act directly downward due to interference. The Right Hand Slap Rule is referenced to explain the directional challenges faced in this experimental setup.

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Hi,
I've just completed a prac, where a beam was placed into a solenoid with a current flowing through it, causing a force to exerted down and I balanced out the force by placing weights on the other end in the effort of calculating the magnetic field strength. Anyway, one of the short answer questions given states:
"Could this apparatus be used to find the field strength of a small permanent bar magnet? Discuss the process and describe the limitations."

The relevant equation used to calculate the magnetic field strength was: B = mg/IL. However, this problems is largely theory based.

I assume that if a permanent bar magnet was placed within a solenoid which had current flowing through it, that the magnetic field lines would interfere with another and cause the direction of the force caused by the magnetic field on the perpendicular section of the magnet to the field lines (according to the Right Hand Slap Rule) to not act directly downwards so that I could counteract it by placing weights on the other end of the magnet, but I'm clearly finding difficulty.

Thanks for reading, and I would greatly appreciate help. (NOTE: I apologize if this in the wrong section of the forum, this is my first post)
 
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AUS_Chris said:
Hi,
I've just completed a prac, where a beam was placed into a solenoid with a current flowing through it, causing a force to exerted down and I balanced out the force by placing weights on the other end in the effort of calculating the magnetic field strength. Anyway, one of the short answer questions given states:
"Could this apparatus be used to find the field strength of a small permanent bar magnet? Discuss the process and describe the limitations."

The relevant equation used to calculate the magnetic field strength was: B = mg/IL. However, this problems is largely theory based.

I assume that if a permanent bar magnet was placed within a solenoid which had current flowing through it, that the magnetic field lines would interfere with another and cause the direction of the force caused by the magnetic field on the perpendicular section of the magnet to the field lines (according to the Right Hand Slap Rule) to not act directly downwards so that I could counteract it by placing weights on the other end of the magnet, but I'm clearly finding difficulty.

Thanks for reading, and I would greatly appreciate help. (NOTE: I apologize if this in the wrong section of the forum, this is my first post)

I think the suggestion was "can you use a similar set-up using a small permanent magnet instead of the solenoid with a fixed current"
 

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