Textbook 'The Physics of Waves': Reason to force us to consider complex solution for harmonic motion?

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The discussion centers on the necessity of considering complex solutions for harmonic motion as outlined in Chapter 1, Section 1.3 of the textbook "The Physics of Waves" from MIT. The analysis of time translation from π/ω to π/2ω reveals that the square of h(π/2ω) indicates the need for complex solutions. The participants debate the use of irreducible solutions, questioning why one cannot directly adopt z(t + π/ω) = h(π/ω)z(t) without resorting to complex formalism, which is presented as a simpler alternative. The text asserts that a function z(t) satisfying the equation of motion for simple harmonic motion cannot remain real-valued if h(a) is complex.

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TL;DR Summary: The reason to force us consider complex solution for harmonic motion.

Reference textbook “The Physics of Waves” in MIT website:
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/8-03sc-...es-fall-2016/resources/mit8_03scf16_textbook/

Chapter 1 - Section 1.3 (see attached file)

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In (1.40), it breaks down the time translation from pi/omega to pi/2omega + pi/2omega; and concludes the square of h(pi/2omega) implying that we need to consider complex solution.

However, what prevents us use the property of irreducible solution and adopt

z(t+pi/omega) = h(pi/omega)z(t)

directly? (And this does not force us to use complex solution!)
 
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You do not need to use the complex formalism. It is just easier.
 
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brettng said:
TL;DR Summary: The reason to force us consider complex solution for harmonic motion.

Reference textbook “The Physics of Waves” in MIT website:
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/8-03sc-...es-fall-2016/resources/mit8_03scf16_textbook/

In (1.40), it breaks down the time translation from pi/omega to pi/2omega + pi/2omega; and concludes the square of h(pi/2omega) implying that we need to consider complex solution.

However, what prevents us use the property of irreducible solution and adopt

z(t+pi/omega) = h(pi/omega)z(t)

directly? (And this does not force us to use complex solution!)


From page 11 of the book:
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It is easy to see that a function ##z(t)## that satisfies (1.38) cannot be a real-valued function for all ##t## if there exists a value of ##a## such that ##h(a)## is complex. The author shows on page 12 of the book that if ##z(t)## obeys (1.38) and if ##z(t)## is a solution of the equation of motion for simple harmonic motion (SHM), then ##h(a)## is imaginary for ##a = \pi/(2\omega)##.
 
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Thank you so much for your help!!!!!!
 

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