Textbook 'The Physics of Waves': Reason to force us to consider complex solution for harmonic motion?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of considering complex solutions for harmonic motion as presented in the textbook "The Physics of Waves." Participants are examining the implications of time translation in the context of harmonic motion and questioning the reliance on complex solutions.

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  • Participants explore the breakdown of time translation and its implications for complex solutions. There is a question regarding the use of irreducible solutions and whether complex solutions are necessary. Some participants suggest that while complex formalism is not required, it may simplify the analysis.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made in the textbook and the nature of the solutions required for harmonic motion. Some guidance has been provided regarding the ease of using complex solutions, but no consensus has been reached on their necessity.

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Participants reference specific sections of the textbook and highlight the conditions under which real-valued functions may not satisfy the equations of motion for simple harmonic motion. There is an emphasis on the implications of certain values leading to complex results.

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TL;DR Summary: The reason to force us consider complex solution for harmonic motion.

Reference textbook “The Physics of Waves” in MIT website:
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/8-03sc-...es-fall-2016/resources/mit8_03scf16_textbook/

Chapter 1 - Section 1.3 (see attached file)

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In (1.40), it breaks down the time translation from pi/omega to pi/2omega + pi/2omega; and concludes the square of h(pi/2omega) implying that we need to consider complex solution.

However, what prevents us use the property of irreducible solution and adopt

z(t+pi/omega) = h(pi/omega)z(t)

directly? (And this does not force us to use complex solution!)
 
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You do not need to use the complex formalism. It is just easier.
 
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brettng said:
TL;DR Summary: The reason to force us consider complex solution for harmonic motion.

Reference textbook “The Physics of Waves” in MIT website:
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/8-03sc-...es-fall-2016/resources/mit8_03scf16_textbook/

In (1.40), it breaks down the time translation from pi/omega to pi/2omega + pi/2omega; and concludes the square of h(pi/2omega) implying that we need to consider complex solution.

However, what prevents us use the property of irreducible solution and adopt

z(t+pi/omega) = h(pi/omega)z(t)

directly? (And this does not force us to use complex solution!)


From page 11 of the book:
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It is easy to see that a function ##z(t)## that satisfies (1.38) cannot be a real-valued function for all ##t## if there exists a value of ##a## such that ##h(a)## is complex. The author shows on page 12 of the book that if ##z(t)## obeys (1.38) and if ##z(t)## is a solution of the equation of motion for simple harmonic motion (SHM), then ##h(a)## is imaginary for ##a = \pi/(2\omega)##.
 
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Thank you so much for your help!!!!!!
 

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