The acceleration of mass using light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the possibility of using light to accelerate atoms, examining theoretical and practical implications of photon interactions with atomic structures. It covers concepts related to radiation pressure, laser applications, and the challenges of achieving significant acceleration, particularly near light speed.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether light can strike an atom to accelerate it, suggesting that energy absorption could lead to increased energy levels.
  • One participant references solar sails as a practical example of using light for propulsion.
  • Another notes that while photons exert very small pressures, they can still influence objects, albeit minimally.
  • There is speculation about the feasibility of using lasers to accelerate atoms to near light speed, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the practicality of this approach.
  • One participant mentions the need for continuous laser targeting as an atom moves away, complicating the acceleration process.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of using lasers for space propulsion, highlighting the need for extremely powerful lasers and the challenges posed by atmospheric attenuation.
  • Participants discuss the Doppler shift affecting the wavelength of light as an atom accelerates, which could complicate the absorption of photons necessary for further acceleration.
  • There is a mention of various scattering processes through which light interacts with atoms, indicating that as acceleration occurs, the effectiveness of these interactions may diminish.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of using light to accelerate atoms and the potential for practical applications in space propulsion. There is no consensus on the practicality of these methods, and multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the challenges involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainties about the required laser power, the effects of atmospheric conditions on laser effectiveness, and the complexities introduced by the Doppler shift in relation to atomic absorption. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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Just curious, is it possible for light to strike an atom in such a way as to accelerate it? I know that the energy can be absorbed in the atom, which would cause it's energy levels to rise, but could the acceleration be controlled and directed?
 
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Would it then be possible to take a laser and point it at an atom and accelerate it to near light speed?
 
I am not certain, but intuition tells me this is possible in a vacuum using photons of energies lower than the atom's ionization energy.
 
myrhinobutt2 said:
Would it then be possible to take a laser and point it at an atom and accelerate it to near light speed?
Yes, although you would have to keep that laser point directly at that atom for a very long time while it moves away from you!
 
So the application of accelerating a rocket into space probably wouldn't work.
 
myrhinobutt2 said:
So the application of accelerating a rocket into space probably wouldn't work.

There are quite a few people working on that, you can probably find a few Youtube videos if you search.
It is certainly possible to "lift" small shiny objects using a laser a few meters (maybe a bit more) over the ground if you have a powerful laser.
The problem is of course that you would need an incredibly powerful laser (much, much more powerful than any existing laser, maybe with the exception of some one-shot models) than to lift even a small satellite into orbit. You also have the problem of attenuation/dispersion due to the air.

Hence, there is nothing wrong with the basic physics but it is HIGHLY doubtful that it would ever become a practical way of lifting things into space.
 
myrhinobutt2 said:
Would it then be possible to take a laser and point it at an atom and accelerate it to near light speed?
Lasers have already been used to slow atoms down from a few hundred m/s to a near standstill, and accelerating them is possible to.

To near light speed? Just one problem is that, as the laser accelerates, the wavelength it absorbs will change due to the Doppler shift. One would need to compensate for this, either by changing the laser wavelength or doing something to change the atom's absorption wavelength. But, near light speed the required shift would become larger than can be compensated for practically.
 
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Redbelly98 said:
Lasers have already been used to slow atoms down from a few hundred m/s to a near standstill, and accelerating them is possible to.

To near light speed? Just one problem is that, as the laser accelerates, the wavelength it absorbs will change due to the Doppler shift. One would need to compensate for this, either by changing the laser wavelength or doing something to change the atom's absorption wavelength. But, near light speed the required shift would become larger than can be compensated for practically.
Very good point. As an atom accelerates away from the light source, the incident light is red-shifted. The light interacts entirely with the electrons via scattering (e.g., Rayleigh scattering), atomic excitation, photoelectric effect, deep core photoemission, Thomson scattering, etc.), and near zero with nuclear scattering. As the light is red shifted, many of these channels are below threshold, and no longer open. So the ability for the target to absorb momentum decreases.
[added] Also the momentum carried by red-shifted photons is less.
Bob S
 
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