The angle between two horizontal forces?

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The discussion revolves around determining the angle between two horizontal forces in a physics problem involving force vectors and their components. The original poster presents their calculations and expresses confusion regarding the correct angle between the forces.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the calculation of angles between force vectors, questioning the setup of equations and the interpretation of directions. There is discussion about using the smaller angle between the forces and the implications of the negative direction of one of the forces.

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Some participants provide guidance on the interpretation of angles and the use of trigonometric functions in the calculations. There is acknowledgment of multiple interpretations regarding the angles involved, and while some calculations are confirmed, others remain uncertain.

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There is uncertainty regarding the exact angles of the forces, particularly the direction of F1, which is described only as negative along the x-axis. This ambiguity affects the calculations and assumptions made by participants.

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I need help with this problem (my work is at the bottom):

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9823/physicsquestiondd9.jpg

Here is what I tried:

[tex]a_x[/tex] from graph = 3 m/s^2

[tex]Fnetx[/tex] = m* [tex]a_x[/tex]

[tex]F_n_e_t_x[/tex] = 3.9 N

[tex]F_n_e_t_x[/tex] = -3 + [tex]F_2*\cos(\theta)[/tex]

6.9 = 9.0*[tex]\cos(\theta)[/tex]

[tex]\cos(\theta)[/tex] = 0.7667
[tex]\theta[/tex] = 39.9 degrees from x-axis
degrees between forces = 180+39.9 = 219.9 degrees

This is wrong and I've been trying to figure out what to do for a long time so I'm hoping someone can help me out please? :confused: Thanks
 
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Typically you use the smaller angle between two things. Have you tried that?
 
zcm5000 said:
degrees between forces = 180+39.9 = 219.9 degrees

This is wrong and I've been trying to figure out what to do for a long time so I'm hoping someone can help me out please? :confused: Thanks

If the force F1 points in the negative x direction, and F2 has an angle of 39.9 with the positive x direction, then the angle between them is 90 + (90 - 39.9) = 180 - 39.9 = 140.1 degree, unless I missed something.
 
radou said:
If the force F1 points in the negative x direction, and F2 has an angle of 39.9 with the positive x direction, then the angle between them is 90 + (90 - 39.9) = 180 - 39.9 = 140.1 degree, unless I missed something.

Yes, I believe that is right. However, I tried inputting 140 and it is incorrect. I am unsure if [tex]F_1[/tex] is actually going at 180 degrees. It only says it is going in the negative x direction? Also, I am unsure if I am setting up the equation correctly, and also if I am supposed to use [tex]F_2\cos(\theta)[/tex].

Can anyone confirm or deny this?
 
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zcm5000 said:
Yes, I believe that is right. However, I am unsure if [tex]F_1[/tex] is actually going at 180 degrees. It only says it is going in the negative x direction? Also, I am unsure if I am setting up the equation correctly, and also if I am supposed to use [tex]F_2\cos(\theta)[/tex].

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Using [tex]F_{2} \cos(\theta)[/tex] is correct, since [tex]\vec{F}_{2}[/tex] makes some angle [tex]\theta[/tex] with the x axis. Further on, [tex]\vec{F}_{1}[/tex] is not 'going' at 180 degrees. It is a simple calculation of the angle between the two force vectors, and 180 arises in it.
 
radou said:
Using [tex]F_{2} \cos(\theta)[/tex] is correct, since [tex]\vec{F}_{2}[/tex] makes some angle [tex]\theta[/tex] with the x axis. Further on, [tex]\vec{F}_{1}[/tex] is not 'going' at 180 degrees. It is a simple calculation of the angle between the two force vectors, and 180 arises in it.

Well I am not sure what I did wrong because neither 140 or 220 degrees is correct. Is the equation supposed to be [tex]F_n_e_t_x[/tex] = [tex]-F_1[/tex] + [tex]F_2\cos(\theta)[/tex]? Hopefully someone can show me where I went wrong
 
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I also get that the angle between them is 140.06 degrees.
 
Thanks guys, the answer WAS 140 degrees :smile: . I thought I had tried that answer before I tried 220, but I only tried 220 Thanks for making my physics experience a little better :rolleyes:

At least I understand why I got that answer now
 

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