Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the question of whether a class indexed by real numbers, specifically defined as \mathcal{S} = \{S_{i}:i \in \mathbb{R} \}, can be considered a set. Participants explore the implications of this notation within the context of set theory, particularly Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory with the Axiom of Choice (ZFC).
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
- Conceptual clarification
- Mathematical reasoning
Main Points Raised
- Some participants assert that \mathcal{S} is a valid set as long as each \( S_i \) is a set, referencing the axiom of replacement and the fact that \(\mathbb{R}\) is a set.
- Others argue that indexing by real numbers may imply a continuum, which raises questions about the validity of such indexing in ZFC, suggesting that indexing is typically thought of as a countable process.
- A participant notes that while a set can contain various elements, there are limitations, such as the impossibility of forming a set of all sets that do not contain themselves.
- One participant suggests that it would be clearer to use a different notation, such as \(\mathcal{S} = \{S_{\alpha}:\alpha \in \mathbb{R} \}\), to indicate indexing over a set other than the natural numbers.
- Another participant mentions that it is indeed possible to index by any set, regardless of cardinality, and refers to Zermelo's Well Ordering Theorem as a means to well-order \(\mathbb{R}\) and the indexed sets.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the validity of the class \mathcal{S} as a set, with some supporting its validity and others questioning the implications of indexing by real numbers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the compatibility of such indexing with ZFC.
Contextual Notes
There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of indexing and its implications in set theory, particularly concerning the transition from countable to uncountable indexing.