The Conundrum of Duplicating Atoms in Time Travel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conceptual challenges and implications of time travel, particularly focusing on the idea of duplicating atoms when a person travels back in time. Participants explore various thought experiments and the speculative nature of time travel, including its potential violations of physical laws and the distinctions between different methods of time travel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of duplicating the nuclei of atoms in the body when traveling back in time, suggesting that this would lead to two versions of oneself existing simultaneously.
  • Another participant argues that making copies of oneself could violate conservation laws, implying that time travel to the past may be inherently prohibited by nature.
  • Some participants propose that if a future self is sent to the past, the balance could be restored when the future self returns to the future, thus not necessarily creating permanent duplicates.
  • A distinction is made between "going back through time," which would result in two versions of a person, and "turning back time," which might allow a person to revert to their past self without duplication.
  • Several participants note that the discussion is highly speculative, with various proposed methods of time travel each introducing unique problems while potentially resolving others.
  • There is a sentiment expressed that while imagination is valuable, the speculative nature of time travel discussions may lead to endless debates without definitive conclusions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of time travel, with multiple competing views on the nature of duplication, the feasibility of time travel, and the speculative frameworks being discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of current understanding regarding time travel, including unresolved assumptions about the nature of time and the implications of physical laws. The speculative nature of the topic means that many claims are contingent on hypothetical scenarios.

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Let’s say someone travels one year in the past to change their own lives coarse, maybe lotto numbers or something else. Doesn’t matter if time travel is possible or not, this is just a thought experiment.?
The problem I see is that somehow you’ll have to duplicate the nuclei that make up your body. Because now there will be two of them.
If your back in time looking at yourself means that there will be two of you and most of the atoms that made up your body a year ago still makeup your body now. Wont the atom need to be dulicated

How is that possible?
Or am I thinking of this the wrong way?
 
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Making copies of yourself seems to violate many "conservation" laws so many physicists hope that time travel to the past is prohibited by nature.
 
Why would time travel involve making copies?

If you take your future self and put it in the past - at that point there is two of you - but once you reach the point in the future where you went back, one copy 'goes away' and brings the balance back.

The atoms would continue to age, so even if you kept sending yourself back in a way which would give you many 'copies' in the past, you would still experience ageing and there would come a point where you couldn't go back any more (death) and the balance would be restored once and for all.

It comes down to how you view time travel, which method etc. Very speculative though, nobody knows whether or not it's possible so dictating the 'rules' isn't exactly easy.
 
I think you have to make a distinction between going back through time, in which case there would be two of you; and turning back time, in which case you would just return to being you as you were at that point in the past. Both are very speculative, and both raise some interesting problems, even if you invoke the multiverse.
 
Endervhar said:
I think you have to make a distinction between going back through time, in which case there would be two of you; and turning back time, in which case you would just return to being you as you were at that point in the past. Both are very speculative, and both raise some interesting problems, even if you invoke the multiverse.

There are so many ways you can use for time travel, each one removes the problems of the other but brings its own.

Just too speculative to be of use.
 
Wasn't it Einstein who said "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ? :biggrin:
 
Endervhar said:
Wasn't it Einstein who said "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ? :biggrin:

Given we don't know whether or not time travel is possible, speculating on potential flaws is putting the cart before the horse in my opinion.

"Imagination" is all well and good, but the PF rules only stretch so far.

Given any argument for / against time travel can be countered quite easily it's something of a never ending debate.
 
"Imagination" is all well and good, but the PF rules only stretch so far.

You are absolutely right, of course. The trouble is, I need little prompting to get into both speculative and silly stuff. However, I shall try to restrict these to a more appropriate forum. :smile:
 

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