The Debroglie Relation and SR?

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The discussion centers on the physical significance of the expression (p.r - Et) in the context of special relativity (SR) and its relation to the Minkowski inner product. Participants assert that while this expression is mathematically significant as it represents the inner product of a four-vector and a four-covector, it lacks direct physical significance. The conversation highlights the role of action in both non-relativistic and relativistic physics, emphasizing that the wave function can satisfy different wave equations based on the chosen dispersion relation, such as ##E=\frac{p^2}{2m}## for non-relativistic cases and ##E^2=p^2+m^2## for relativistic scenarios.

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  • #31
Jilang said:
I am curious as to how this might be applied to quantum tunnelling. Could it be interpreted that a particle spends only imaginary time inside the barrier?
No.
 
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  • #32
Why do you say not?
 
  • #33
Jilang said:
Why do you say not?

Well, it's not clear what it could possibly mean to spend an imaginary amount of time doing something.
 
  • #34
See "Interpreting attoclock measurements of tunnelling times" http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v11/n6/full/nphys3340.html

From the abstract: "We show that, in the hydrogen atom, optical tunneling is instantaneous."

Professor Anatoli Kheifets explains his results: (see http://phys.org/news/2015-05-physicists-quantum-tunneling-mystery.html#jCp)

"At that timescale the time an electron takes to quantum tunnel out of an atom was thought to be significant. But the mathematics says the time during tunneling is imaginary - a complex number - which we realized meant it must be an instantaneous process"
 
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  • #35
stevendaryl said:
Well, it's not clear what it could possibly mean to spend an imaginary amount of time doing something.
Viewing it quite literally from the maths, time orthogonal to real time we experience?
 
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Jilang said:
Viewing it quite literally from the maths, time orthogonal to real time we experience?
"Time orthogonal to real time" is meaningless noise. Please do not further pursue this nonsense.
 
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