The Derivative of 2^x: How to Find It and Understand the Number e

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function 2^x, with the original poster expressing confusion regarding the relationship between this derivative and the natural logarithm of 2, which is approximately 0.69. Participants are exploring the mathematical principles involved in differentiation and the implications of the number e.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using the limit definition of the derivative and the natural logarithm to differentiate 2^x. There are attempts to clarify the correct approach to finding the derivative, with some questioning the original poster's calculations and assumptions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the derivative being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on using logarithmic differentiation, while others have pointed out errors in the original poster's approach. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet, but productive dialogue is occurring.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the nature of derivatives as functions rather than fixed numbers, and some participants are addressing foundational misunderstandings in the calculations presented.

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Homework Statement



I'm trying to find the derivative of 2^x by hand so that I can better understand the number e. This video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNZgbj3UaRE&feature=plcp

says the answer is .69. I can't figure out how to get that


Homework Equations



lim h -> 0 [f(x0+h) - f(x0)]/h



The Attempt at a Solution



So let's take point (3,8)

[2(3+h)^3 - 4(3)^3]/h

= [54 + 2h^3 - 108]/h

= 54

not exactly .69
 
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robertjford80 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



So let's take point (3,8)

[2(3+h)^3 - 4(3)^3]/h

= [54 + 2h^3 - 108]/h

= 54

not exactly .69
I am not sure what you are doing here - but that looks incorrect.

The easiest way to do this derivative is to write y = 2^x and take the natural log of both sides and then differentiate.
 
If I do that, I get

ln y = x ln 2

Two unknowns and one equation, can't be solved.
 
robertjford80 said:
If I do that, I get

ln y = x ln 2

Two unknowns and one equation, can't be solved.
No... you take the derivative with respect to x of both sides.
 
Then I will still have an x in my solution, not .69
 
wait, the natural log of 2 is .69, ok, I get it now.
 
robertjford80 said:
wait, the natural log of 2 is .69, ok, I get it now.
Are you sure? Because the derivative of 2^x is not .69. It's (ln2)*2^x. It is only .69 at x=0.
 
well, i get enough to satisfy me for the moment.
 
robertjford80 said:
well, i get enough to satisfy me for the moment.
well, ok then.
 
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robertjford80 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



So let's take point (3,8)

[2(3+h)^3 - 4(3)^3]/h

= [54 + 2h^3 - 108]/h

= 54

not exactly .69

This is wrong on so many levels... You should really read through the more basic stuff again...

So if f(x) = 2x, then f(x0+h)-f(x0) = 2(x0+h)-2x0

Next, you don't pick a random value for h... Instead, you take the limit as h tends to zero of (f(x+h)-f(x))/h
 
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Or you could just learn the general formula: ##\frac{d(a^x)}{dx}=a^x.\ln a## where a is any real constant.
 
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robertjford80 said:

Homework Statement



I'm trying to find the derivative of 2^x by hand so that I can better understand the number e. This video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNZgbj3UaRE&feature=plcp

says the answer is .69. I can't figure out how to get that
Your whole question doesn't make much sense. The derivative of [itex]2^x[/itex] is a function of x, not a number. Since, in fact, the derivative of [itex]2^x[/itex] is the function [itex]ln(2)2^x[/itex], and ln(2) is (approximately) 0.69, the derivative of [itex]2^x[/itex] at x= 0 is (approximately) 0.69.

Homework Equations



lim h -> 0 [f(x0+h) - f(x0)]/h

The Attempt at a Solution



So let's take point (3,8)

[2(3+h)^3 - 4(3)^3]/h

= [54 + 2h^3 - 108]/h
Pretty much everything here is wrong. For one thing, [itex](x+ h)^3= x^3+ 3x^2h+ 3xh^3+ h^3[/itex], NOT "[itex]x^3+ h^3[/itex]". But where did that [itex]2(3+h)^3[/itex] come from anyway? The difference quotient for [itex]2^x[/itex] would be
[tex]\frac{2^{x+ h}- 2^x}{h}[/tex]
not what you have. (Which looks like it would be for [itex]2x^3[/itex] if that "4" were a "2".)

We could then write [itex]2^{x+y}= 2^x2^h[/itex] and factor [itex]2^x[/itex] out. The difference quotient becomes
[tex]2^x \frac{2^h- 1}{h}[/tex]
so that the derivative, the limit, as h goes to 0, of that, is [itex]2^x[/itex] times the limit of that last fraction. In fact, it is easy to see that the derivative of [itex]a^x[/itex] is just [itex]a^x[itex]itself times the limit of <br /> [tex]\frac{a^h- 1}{h}[/tex]<br /> <br /> "e" happens to have that limit equal to 1. And one can use the properties of [itex]e^x[itex]to show that <br /> [tex]\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{a^h- 1}{h}= ln(a)[/tex] <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> = 54<br /> <br /> not exactly .69 </div> </div> </blockquote>[/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex]
 

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