The derivative of function under constraint

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The problem involves a function defined by the equation f(x+y) = f(x)f(y) for all x and y, with specific values given for f(5) and f'(0). Participants are tasked with finding the value of f'(5) based on these conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the functional equation and the differentiability of the function. There are attempts to apply Rolle's Theorem and the Mean Value Theorem, but some express uncertainty about their applicability. Questions arise about the existence of f'(5) and how to handle the 0/0 form encountered in limits.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have provided hints and guidance, particularly regarding the use of limits and the implications of the functional equation. There is recognition of potential inconsistencies in the given conditions, prompting further inquiry.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may contain inherent contradictions based on the provided values for f(5) and f'(0). There is a consensus that the conditions may not be consistent, leading to confusion in deriving a solution.

  • #31
I can also prove the inconsistency by taking,
f(x) = (f(5))x, it is given in question that f(5) = 2.
Now I am going to show that if f(5) = 2 then f'(0) ≠ 3
Differentiating,
## f'(x) = f(5)^x ln f(5) ##
Putting x = 0 and we know from question f(5) = 2
We see f'(0) = ln2 ≠ 3
So the values are dependent.
Is this also a way of correctly thinking?
 
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  • #32
Raghav Gupta said:
Why f(x) is only equal to f((1))x?
As Sammy is saying it could be any constant.
So we can also write f(x) =(f(2))x ?

It's looking like I'm going round and round if you see my encounter with Dick in this thread.
So if we take
## h\to 0 ##
Then f'(x)= f(x) \frac{f(h) - f(0)}{h}
Now what to do?

No: this equation is false. For finite ##h > 0## the right-hand-side is NOT equal to ##f'(x)##. Derivatives involve a limit, not just a difference-ratio.
 
  • #33
Ray Vickson said:
No: this equation is false. For finite ##h > 0## the right-hand-side is NOT equal to ##f'(x)##. Derivatives involve a limit, not just a difference-ratio.
But if you see I have written ## h\to 0 ##
 
  • #34
Raghav Gupta said:
But if you see I have written ## h\to 0 ##

No, you have not written it properly and in the correct place. You should have written
f'(x) = f(x) \, \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(h) -f(0)}{h}
THAT would be a correct statement.

Do you see how it is different from what you wrote? (This not mere quibbling; if you are not careful to write things correctly, they can come back later to cause you to make difficult-to-trace errors. I am trying to help you develop good habits that will be useful to you later, when problems are a lot more complicated.)
 
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