The distribution of charges in a conductor

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The discussion centers on the distribution of electric charges in a conductor, particularly how surface curvature affects charge density. Participants explore theoretical explanations and intuitive reasoning related to electric fields and charge movement within conductors.

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  • One participant notes that charge density is higher near surfaces with greater curvature and questions the relationship between curvature and charge distribution, suggesting it may relate to energy minimization.
  • Another participant proposes that the motion of charges on the surface is influenced by the tangential component of the Coulomb force, indicating that higher curvature requires more charge for the same force due to reduced tangential force.
  • A participant discusses how charges in a conductor repel each other, leading to accumulation at points of high curvature, such as a needle, while noting that charges do not accumulate at inward-curving features.
  • One participant elaborates on the behavior of charges in conductors, explaining that internal electric fields cannot persist, leading to a situation where charges only reside on the surface, with the electric field being normal to the surface. They connect this to the divergence of the electric field and charge density, suggesting that higher curvature results in higher charge concentration.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between surface curvature and charge density, with no consensus reached on the underlying mechanisms or explanations. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas presented.

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Participants reference concepts such as electric fields, Coulomb forces, and charge movement without fully resolving the implications of these ideas or the mathematical relationships involved. Assumptions about charge behavior and the nature of electric fields in conductors are not explicitly stated or agreed upon.

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I was taught in my Eletricmagnetics Lessons that the density of electric charge is higher near the surface with big curvature and lower near the flat surface.
Why does the density of electric charge has something to do with the surface curvature?
Is this because such a system has the minimal energy?


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Consider that the charges are constrained to move on the surface. Then you can see that their motion is determined by the tangential component of the Coulomb force. In a region with high curvature the tangential component is less so it requires more charge to make the same force.

That is a rather "hand-waving" argument, but I find it rather intuitive.
 
The charges in a conductor repell and go apart as far as possible. If a ball has a niddle on its surface, some charges will go to the niddle. But if a ball has a niddle hole inwards, they will not accumulate there.
 
I think the question has been pretty well answered but since I love to hear myself talk I'm going to add a bit.

Since charges can move in a conductor any electric field inside the conductor will not last as it means a force on the charges which then move in reaction to the force. Eventually the charges must move until they cancel out any internal E-fields.

Now we come to the surface where the charges cannot move outward. There thus can be an E-field at the surface but it must be normal to this surface since any lateral component again means a component of force on charges which can move in this lateral direction. So picture a blob shaped conductor as having 0 E field inside and at the surface the E-field points straight out.

Finally recall that the divergence of the E field (the degree to which it radiates outward rather than lining up parallel) is proportional to the charge density. Given the E field is normal to the surface the more curved the surface the higher the divergence of the E field and thus the more concentrated the charge density. This isn't so much a causal explanation but a way to see that this is how it must be.

By the same equation we see that since the divergence of the zero E field inside the conductor is also zero we know that none of the charge is distributed through the interior of the conductor and all must reside at the surface.
 
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