The effects of electrical shock on the brain from non-localized contact area

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The discussion revolves around the effects of electrical shock on the brain, particularly in the context of a news story involving a young man who experienced an electrical shock through nipple clamps connected to a wall socket. Participants explore whether the shock caused direct brain damage or if any damage was a result of oxygen deprivation due to heart failure. The conversation includes considerations of electrical current pathways in the body and the implications for brain health.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the electrical current would take the path of least resistance, suggesting that it would primarily affect the heart rather than the brain.
  • Others propose that the nature of the body's conductivity and the connection between the central nervous system and the brain means that some current could still reach the brain, potentially causing damage.
  • A participant mentions uncertainty regarding what constitutes "significant" brain damage and questions the voltage required to cause such damage.
  • One participant asserts that the current flow would likely be limited in reaching the brain due to the anatomical separation between the thorax and the head.
  • Another participant emphasizes that if the heart shut down, it would be the primary cause of any brain damage, rather than direct electrical injury to the brain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the electrical shock directly impacted the brain or if the effects were solely due to heart failure. There is no consensus on the extent of brain damage or the pathways of electrical current in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of current flow in the body and the factors influencing resistance, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the specifics of electrical pathways and their effects on brain health.

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In my attempt to obliterate my ignorance I'd like to discuss something related to the recent news story about a young man who attached two clamps to his nipples and then had a friend plug it into a wall socket. http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978486647" <-- News Story

I got into a debate(from an admittedly relative point of ignorance) over whether or not the young man suffered direct brain damage from the shock or if it was entirely the oxygen deprivation from his heart stopping.

Basically, "their" argument was that it probably didn't hit his brain because it took the path of least resistance. My argument was that given the amount of fluid in the body and the nature of the central nervous system and its connection to the brain it would seem dubious that the brain would not incur direct electrical damage. Now, a second question: if the young man's brain was indeed directly damaged (rather than indirectly via oxygen deprivation), was the voltage enough to cause a significant amount of brain damage? And, I'm not even sure what constitutes "significant" brain damage.

Also, I was reading up on "path of least resistance" when I came upon this article: http://ecmweb.com/mag/electric_path_least_resistance/. So, unless I'm misunderstanding, the electrical current took every path available in his body in inverse proportion to the amount of resistance in each path? I guess what it comes down to is the bio-conductivity of the connections of the chest to the brain.

Well, I'd like to assert that while I'd enjoy being correct, my real goal is to understand. Thank you for your time!
 
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BillDoor said:
the electrical current took every path available in his body in inverse proportion to the amount of resistance in each path

Pretty much, so since the current has to go well out of it's way to get his brain it's only a slight percent. Otherwise tazers would constantly shut your heart down and fry your brains etc.

He would definitely have died of a heart attack.

EDIT: NM he didn't die, but you know what I mean. He suffered brain damage because his heart shut down. His heart shut down because the electricity took the direct path (through his heart/chest). Only a SUPER TINY amount of volage if any would be applied a the brain area.
 
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Current flow generally spreads to fill all available paths, which is why the electrical resistance for a conductive flat surface is measured in ohms/square. The size of the square doesn't matter because as the distance the current must cross increases, the width of the area it can pass through also increases. A square inch and a square mile would have the same resistance.

However, because the head is separated from the thorax by the neck, the currently flow would probably be (mostly) choked off (no pun intended) without much current passing through the brain.

BillDoor: Are you a fan of Terry Pratchett? One of his characters used the name "Bill Door".
 
MuggsMcGinnis said:
Current flow generally spreads to fill all available paths, which is why the electrical resistance for a conductive flat surface is measured in ohms/square. The size of the square doesn't matter because as the distance the current must cross increases, the width of the area it can pass through also increases. A square inch and a square mile would have the same resistance.

However, because the head is separated from the thorax by the neck, the currently flow would probably be (mostly) choked off (no pun intended) without much current passing through the brain.

BillDoor: Are you a fan of Terry Pratchett? One of his characters used the name "Bill Door".

Thank you for both of your replies!

And yes, I am indeed a stalwart fan of Pratchett. DEATH's guise as Bill Door is one of my favorite parts of his books, but especially "The Reaper Man."
 

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