The expected value of the square of the sample mean?

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The discussion revolves around the expected value of the square of the sample mean, specifically examining the equation E(X-bar^2) = (σ^2)/n + μ^2. Participants are exploring the derivation of this equation and its validity within the context of statistics and probability theory.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to derive the equation starting from the definition of the sample mean and its properties. Some express confusion regarding the relationship between the expected value, variance, and mean. Others question the correctness of the equation and its dimensional consistency.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the equation's validity, with some participants suggesting corrections and clarifications. Acknowledgment of errors in the initial equation has been made, and there is a collaborative effort to refine the understanding of the relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the random variables involved are independent and identically distributed. There is also mention of potential errors in the original formulation of the equation, which has led to further discussion on the correct relationships between the mean, variance, and expected values.

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Homework Statement


In my notes I keep stumbling upon this equation:

Equation 1: E(X-bar^2) = (σ^2)/n + μ^2

I was wondering why the above equation is true and how it is derived.

The Attempt at a Solution


E(X-bar^2)

##Summations are from i/j=1 to n

= E[(Σx_i/n)^2)]

= E[(Σx_i/n)(Σx_j/n)]

=(1/n^2)E[(Σx_i)(Σx_j)]

=(1/n^2)ΣΣE(x_i*x_j)

=E(x_1^2) + E( x_2^2 + ... + E(x_n^2)
+ E(x_1*x_2) + E(x_1*x_3) + ... : Equation 2

I'm stuck at this point. Could someone show me how you get to Equation 1 from Equation 2? Assuming that my derivation to Equation 2 is correct.
 
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pandaBee said:

Homework Statement


In my notes I keep stumbling upon this equation:

Equation 1: E(X-bar^2) = (σ^2)/n + μ

I was wondering why the above equation is true and how it is derived.

The Attempt at a Solution


E(X-bar^2)

##Summations are from i/j=1 to n

= E[(Σx_i/n)^2)]

= E[(Σx_i/n)(Σx_j/n)]

=(1/n^2)E[(Σx_i)(Σx_j)]

=(1/n^2)ΣΣE(x_i*x_j)

=E(x_1^2) + E( x_2^2 + ... + E(x_n^2)
+ E(x_1*x_2) + E(x_1*x_3) + ... : Equation 2

I'm stuck at this point. Could someone show me how you get to Equation 1 from Equation 2? Assuming that my derivation to Equation 2 is correct.

If you mean
E \overline{X}^2 = \frac{\sigma^2}{n} + \mu
then that cannot possibly be right! For one thing, the "dimensions" don't match. For example, if ##X## is measured in meters, then ##\sigma^2## is measured in ##\text{meters}^2##, while ##\mu## is in meters.

The easiest approach is to recognize that the mean square and variance of any random variable ##Y## are connected by the equation
\text{Var}(Y) = E(Y^2) - (E Y)^2, \; \text{or} \; E(Y^2) = \text{Var}(Y) + (EY)^2

Apply this to ##Y = \bar{X} = \sum X_i / n##. Assuming the ##X_i## are independent and identically distributed there are easy and well-known formulas for ##EY## and ##\text{Var} (Y)## in terms of ##\mu##, ##\sigma## and ##n##. That will tell you the value of ##E \overline{X}^2##.

On the other hand, if you meant that you want to know
E \overline{X^2} = E \sum X_i^2 / n,
then you have a different set of formulas to use. However, you can approach it again using the relationship between mean square and variance.
 
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pandaBee said:

Homework Statement


In my notes I keep stumbling upon this equation:

Equation 1: E(X-bar^2) = (σ^2)/n + μ

I was wondering why the above equation is true and how it is derived.

I think your Equation 1 may contain a slight error, as Ray pointed out

I think the correct equation is E(x-bar)2 = (σ2 / n) + μ2
 
Yes, you are both correct, the correct equation was actually

Equation 1: E(X-bar^2) = (σ^2)/n + μ^2
The mu had to be squared.

In fact, I can see that I have made a huge blunder in how I was looking at this problem. Thank you both for the insight!
 

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