The functional form for dependence of force on Current?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between magnetic force and current in the context of a lab experiment involving parallel conductors. Participants explore the functional dependence of force on current, considering factors such as separation distance and the validity of the equations used.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a formula for the dependence of force on current, noting that the relationship may not be linear as suggested by their professor.
  • Another participant questions whether the professor provided specific conditions under which the nonlinearity occurs.
  • A participant emphasizes the need to determine if the sine factor is applicable for two parallel wires and suggests expressing the magnetic field "B" in terms of the current.
  • There is a suggestion to consider both the distance between the wires and the current when analyzing the relationship, indicating that both may exhibit nonlinear characteristics.
  • One participant points out that the referenced equation applies to "infinitely long" straight wires, prompting a check on the physical conditions of the experiment.
  • A later reply acknowledges that the provided link helped clarify the representation of "B" and the necessity of including current in the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the linearity of the relationship between force and current, with multiple viewpoints on the factors that influence this relationship. No consensus is reached on the specific conditions or the nature of the nonlinearity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the physical setup of the wires, including their length and the currents they carry, which may affect the applicability of the equations used.

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I am working on a lab where we were measuring how magnetic force between two parallel conductors varies with current and the separation between the two conductors. I need to find a formula for the dependence of Force on current to create a fit line on the data in my graph that shows the relation between them. I know the general equation is F=BLIsin(theta) but I remember my professor telling us that the relationship is not linear. I am not sure where to go from here or what I am missing. Is there a part of the relationship that I am missing?
 
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Did he give you a reference about the nonlinearity or the special conditions where linearity fails?
 
alfab said:
I am working on a lab where we were measuring how magnetic force between two parallel conductors varies with current and the separation between the two conductors. I need to find a formula for the dependence of Force on current to create a fit line on the data in my graph that shows the relation between them. I know the general equation is F=BLIsin(theta) but I remember my professor telling us that the relationship is not linear. I am not sure where to go from here or what I am missing. Is there a part of the relationship that I am missing?

First of all, you need to figure out if that sin θ factor is still needed for two parallel wires.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/wirfor.html

Secondly, you need to express "B" in terms of the current. Do they both carry the same current, or different?

Finally, in reference to the "not linear" part. You are being asked to look at two different dependence: distance between the two, and the current. If you have expressed "B" in terms of the current, you'll also see a a dependence on the current and on the distance between the two. It should be obvious which relationship is nonlinear. You may have both relationships being nonlinear if the current is identical in both wires.

Zz.
 
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Also, the referenced equation is for two "infinitely long" straight wires. You might need to assure yourself that your wires are long enough for the equation to be valid.
 
ZapperZ said:
First of all, you need to figure out if that sin θ factor is still needed for two parallel wires.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/wirfor.html

Secondly, you need to express "B" in terms of the current. Do they both carry the same current, or different?

Finally, in reference to the "not linear" part. You are being asked to look at two different dependence: distance between the two, and the current. If you have expressed "B" in terms of the current, you'll also see a a dependence on the current and on the distance between the two. It should be obvious which relationship is nonlinear. You may have both relationships being nonlinear if the current is identical in both wires.

Zz.
Okay that link actually helped a lot, I was not representing B properly and i forgot I needed the current.
 

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