The History of Ticker Timers in Physics Experiments

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the historical use of ticker timers in physics experiments, particularly their introduction and application in educational settings. Participants explore the timeline of ticker timer usage, their functionality, and personal experiences with the equipment in teaching physics concepts such as motion and wave behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Historical
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant modified ticker timers to serve as standing wave generators and speculated that ticker timers were first used in physics experiments around the late 19th century, possibly linked to telegraphy.
  • Several participants provided definitions of ticker timers, explaining their mechanism of operation and historical significance in physics education.
  • A participant recalled using ticker timers as part of the Physical Science Study Committee (PSSC) program in 1961, suggesting their educational use dates back to that time.
  • Another participant noted the introduction of ticker timers in UK schools in the early 1960s, possibly originating from the Nuffield program aimed at enhancing science teaching.
  • Concerns were raised about the availability and funding for modern physics equipment, with one participant sharing their experience of using outdated equipment in a public school setting.
  • Discussion included the comparative clarity of the dot markings produced by ticker timers versus the wavy traces made by other apparatus, highlighting educational preferences in teaching methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying recollections and historical insights regarding the timeline and introduction of ticker timers, indicating that multiple competing views remain on their origins and usage in educational contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on personal recollections and experiences, which may not provide a comprehensive historical account. The discussion reflects a mix of anecdotal evidence and speculation regarding the timeline of ticker timer usage.

Parsa
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Hi, I'm new to the forum...
I just modified some ticker timers to serve as standing wave generators for my class. It got me wondering when ticker timers were first used to do physics motion experiments. I'm assuming it was from the time they had telegraphy, so maybe as early as the later 19th century. I couldn't seem to find any historical information online. Does anyone know who first did a lab with a ticker timer?
 
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What's a ticker timer?
 
Drakkith said:
What's a ticker timer?
An electromagnet vibrates a metal strip, usually at the mains frequency (50 or 60 Hz). The metal hits a carbon paper circle with ticker tape under it. It makes a mark every 1/50 th or 1/60 th of a second. They're used to find the speed or acceleration of an object pulling the tape through the timer. They were standard in physics classrooms before photogates and computers.
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I Recall using them in 1961, as part of the "PSSC" (Physical Science Study Committee) program which was started in 1956.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I Recall using them in 1961, as part of the "PSSC" (Physical Science Study Committee) program which was started in 1956.
I remember that in about 1961 we demonstrated acceleration using Fletcher's Trolley, which traces out a sine wave on a paper strip. I suspect that the Ticker Timer originated around the dates you mention.
 
Parsa said:
An electromagnet vibrates a metal strip, usually at the mains frequency (50 or 60 Hz). The metal hits a carbon paper circle with ticker tape under it. It makes a mark every 1/50 th or 1/60 th of a second. They're used to find the speed or acceleration of an object pulling the tape through the timer. They were standard in physics classrooms before photogates and computers.
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gosh, haven't seen one of those in 40+ yrsDave
 
davenn said:
gosh, haven't seen one of those in 40+ yrs
Dave
I teach in a public school. I'm still using 40 year old equipment. I haven't had curriculum-cycle funds in the 23 years at my school. Generally we get about $800 to spend in a year. Often that works out to about $4 a year per student. One single lab apparatus often costs several hundred, so class sets are out of the question. I'm happy to have some of the well made old equipment from back when states funded science classes. Here's the apparatus I set up for my lab next week to investigate the relationship between tension, wave speed, wavelength and frequency in standing waves.
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Up to the early 1960s in the UK, trolley investigations in schools usually involved a long steel strip, clamped at one end, which oscillated back and forth. An inked brush attached to the free end made a wavy line on a piece of paper stuck to the moving trolley. Assuming each cycle took the same time, one could figure out the trolley's velocity and acceleration. Ticker timers were introduced in the UK in the early 1960s, probably originally in the Nuffield programme for re-invigorating science teaching. The idea may very well have come from the US (see Tech99's post). The dots they produced at equal time intervals (0.01s in the UK) caused much less confusion to the young mind than the wavy trace.
 
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