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The discussion revolves around the concept of the "impossible lost city Mega," exploring its existence and implications in the context of geological and climatic changes. Participants examine various theories and evidence related to submerged cities, sea level changes, and the challenges of understanding past environmental conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of the city Mega, suggesting that if something cannot be explained, it should not exist.
  • Others argue against this notion, citing examples from climatology and the existence of unexplained phenomena like UFOs to challenge the validity of dismissing unexplainable evidence.
  • A participant references the Pleistocene Ice Ages and the implications of megafauna presence in the Northern Hemisphere, questioning the interpretations of ice core data.
  • Concerns are raised about the understanding of vertical crustal movements and their potential impact on sea level changes, suggesting that crustal movements may be responsible for observed phenomena rather than absolute sea level rise.
  • Some participants highlight the existence of submerged megalithic structures, referencing sites in Japan and India, and discussing the implications of archaeological findings.
  • There is a specific focus on the depth of the Mega site, which is approximately 2000 feet deep, raising questions about how it could exist given the historical sea level rise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on the existence and implications of the city Mega, as well as differing interpretations of geological and climatic evidence.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations in current understanding of geological processes and the need for further studies to clarify the implications of submerged structures and sea level changes.

  • #31
http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmari.htm

http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmar3i.htm
http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmar6i.htm
http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmar8i.htm
 
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  • #32
I'll admit I'm getting quite caught up in this and want to discuss it more, but I have a sizeable essay to write for Thursday and exams the week after so I'm going to wait until later before I start properly reading up on this.
 
  • #33
Andre said:
Problem is that you'd have to come up with a scenario that did not destroy it. So no caldera stuff or slides I'm afraid.

How about a pulsating equator?

Looking at the data it is not at all clear that the structures are manmade. How can you say that it has not been destroyed when it is not even clear if it ever existed? Assuming that it really is a lost city, how can you rule out some kind of catatrophic event that might have destroyed the finer details of the city but left the general features in tact?
 
  • #34
The sonars shows complex regular temple like structures of several hunderd meters along straight "roads" Some firm earthquakes may indeed not have destroyed the general outline. But landslides is a different game of course, you would not end up with rectangular constructions.

This all may be clear if you check on the details in the older threads. I seem to remember that we have discussed the credibility at length.
 
  • #35
Andre said:
The sonars shows complex regular temple like structures of several hunderd meters along straight "roads" Some firm earthquakes may indeed not have destroyed the general outline. But landslides is a different game of course, you would not end up with rectangular constructions.

This all may be clear if you check on the details in the older threads. I seem to remember that we have discussed the credibility at length.

Thanks Andre...

the UW landslides seem rampant in the area. The faults are suspiciously either side and south of the MEGA site. I see no reason to doubt that geological activity brought this down to its current (no pun:wink: ) level. Its a wonder its not buried as well.

I've seen the Bimini road in detail and that's definitely hand placed and hand crafted megalithic work. The photos look the same. Erosion from the ocean has a disintegrating and rounding effect on the stone. However, if you look at the Japanese ruins off S Okiniwa, the right angles are still well kept in this area. Perhaps less current to round them out. Or, perhaps the MEGA site is much older than the Japanese one.

What is the status of dating hand hewn rock faces?! There was talk of a method where the rock that had been exposed by hand in the last 20,000 years was datable when compared to the age of the parent stone?
 
  • #36
Here are some sound bites from a Reuters report on the
"Mystery of Cabo San Antonio, a possible underwater city off Cuba"
Reuters said:
"'Its a new frontier', enthused Soviet-born Canadian ocean engineer Pauline Zelitsky, from British Columbia-based Advanced Digital Communications, poring over video images of hitherto unseen seafloor taken by underwater robots.

'We are the first people ever to see the bottom of Cuban waters over 50 metres... its so exciting. We are discovering the influence of currents on global climate, volcanoes, the history of formation of the Caribbean islands, numerous historic wrecks and even possibly a sunken city built in the pre-classic period and populated by an advanced civilization similar to the early Teotihuacan culture of Yucatan' she said.

Advanced Digitial Communications has been exploring a string of underwater volcanos about 5000 feet deep off Cubas western tip, where millions of years ago a strip of land once joined the island (of Cuba) to Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula.

Most intriguingly, researchers using sonar equipment have discovered, at a depth of about 2200 feet, a huge land plateau with clear images of what appears to be urban development partly covered by sand. From above, the shapes resemble pyramids, roads and buildings.

'Its stunning. What we see in our high resolution sonar images are limitless, rolling, white sand plains and, in the middle of this beautiful white sand, there are clear man made large size architectural designs. It looks like when you fly over an urban development in a plane and you see highways, tunnels and buildings.' Zelitsky said.

'We don't know what it is and we don't have the videotaped evidence of this yet, but we do not believe that nature is capable of producing planned symmetrical architecture, unless it is a miracle.' she added in an interveiw in her office at Tarara along the coast east of Havana."
 
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  • #37
And here's some more updates: this one from July 2005

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1448108/posts

(snipette)
Cataclysmic Earthquake

Paulina Zelitsky has been steadfast in her theory of the collapse of the city as a result of a powerful earthquake more than 12,000 years ago .


"All the team’s scientists are in agreement with the understanding that the geologic formation of the Yucatan Peninsula is as a result of seismic activity.

In fact, the Peninsula and the zone of the collapse are located near a zone of high seismicity ", she says. -

This discovery demonstrates that the first north americans arrived earlier than previously thought and that all did not arrive on the continent by means of the Bering Straits. Many others arrived from Asia by means of the Pacific Ocean.

Translated from Diario de Yucatan, July 10, 2005. Photo from www.guerrillero.co.cu/[/URL].[/quote]
 
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  • #38
And National Geographic had to get in on the action:

New Underwater Finds Raise Questions About Flood Myths
Brian Handwerk
for National Geographic News
May 28, 2002

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0528_020528_sunkencities.html

Sorry if this is a repeat.
 
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  • #39
Yes there was quite some upheaval in that time. Lot's of media coverage and forums coverage. Tales of Atlantis and such.

But the scientific coverage lacked completely, it's way beyond me why things were not thoroughly investigated. We just have to wait and see if anything is happening. We just must know what this is exactly and we must face it that it may be something that we cannot understand for now.
 
  • #40
I'm reviving this thread with the news that there is no news, in a positive way.

One of my friends, geoscience major, was challenged to present a case on the edge. Some phenomenon that could not be explained with the current state of knowledge. It was agreed to present the case of the Cuban Lost City. So she e-mailed the main players, like the geologist Manuel Itturalde-Vinent, asking for updates and got responses promptly: sorry, nothing more to report.

The last action was is 2005. ADC, Paulina Zelitski, had to withdraw when the funding dried up. National Geographic abandoned their plans on a special documentary.

This underlines the objective of this thread. Why aren't the research vessels crowding the local area, fighting for their right to investigate this curiosity to the bottom? Why are we turning our backs, trying to forget, when something really unexplainable pops up?

Meanwhile the 'city' is almost really lost
 
  • #41
Andre said:
I'm reviving this thread with the news that there is no news, in a positive way.

One of my friends, geoscience major, was challenged to present a case on the edge. Some phenomenon that could not be explained with the current state of knowledge. It was agreed to present the case of the Cuban Lost City. So she e-mailed the main players, like the geologist Manuel Itturalde-Vinent, asking for updates and got responses promptly: sorry, nothing more to report.

The last action was is 2005. ADC, Paulina Zelitski, had to withdraw when the funding dried up. National Geographic abandoned their plans on a special documentary.

This underlines the objective of this thread. Why aren't the research vessels crowding the local area, fighting for their right to investigate this curiosity to the bottom? Why are we turning our backs, trying to forget, when something really unexplainable pops up?

Meanwhile the 'city' is almost really lost

This is something an independently wealthy person or persons could pull off. They'd have to hire some internationally known experts so their data and opinions would at least scratch the surface of the media. For instance, Graham Hancock couldn't do it since everyone seems to hate him. And he never really has any professionals with him on his explorations. His only big achievement has been waking up the Indian government to the fact that their sub-Continent is surrounded by submerged cities of great age. Now the Indian government has initiated dives and excavation plus research with amazing results.

Why is this site almost really lost?
 
  • #42


i have a lot of money!and this is very interesting. but where would i start to get something rolling?
 
  • #43


surferdude69 said:
i have a lot of money!and this is very interesting. but where would i start to get something rolling?

Are you serious? I know the players and it should be easy to start things off, but we're talking six, perhaps seven digits, I think, to do things right.
 
  • #44


Robert Ballard would be the person to get involved in investigating this site.
 
  • #45


NileQueen said:
Robert Ballard would be the person to get involved in investigating this site.

Perhaps, I'd say that Paulina Zelitski should be asked to finish the job.
 
  • #46


surferdude69 said:
i have a lot of money!and this is very interesting. but where would i start to get something rolling?

You could start by becoming a gold member of PhysicsForums!

Then I'd think about taking Andre's advice since Paulina Zelitski was the first to recognize the anomalies at 600 metres below sea level, just off the Cuban coast. She seems to have a keen eye.

The possibility of the Mega Site being related to the Mayan Civilization holds great promise and I think it would spark huge interest, world wide.

Holding the rights to images, research and publications may prove to be a lucrative investment. I have linked to satellite images of the area in the Mayan Underworld thread, (Histories and Humanities) that show submerged "roads" leading to and from the Mega Site.
 
  • #47


Andre said:
Perhaps, I'd say that Paulina Zelitski should be asked to finish the job.

Why shouldn't she be a collaborator?
 

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