The inverse image of an open set is open

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The discussion revolves around the properties of continuous functions, specifically examining the inverse image of an open set under a continuous function from the real numbers to itself. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the inverse image of an open set is open by using definitions of continuity and open sets.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the meaning of notation related to neighborhoods and intervals, questioning the definitions used in the proof. There are discussions about the implications of continuity and how it relates to the existence of neighborhoods around points in the context of open sets.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications and raising questions about the definitions and reasoning involved in the proof. Some participants suggest that further explanation is needed regarding the continuity of the function and its implications for the proof.

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There are references to different definitions of continuity, with some participants noting that the definitions involving epsilons and deltas may not be universally accepted. The discussion also touches on the relationship between continuity and the properties of open sets in topology.

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Homework Statement


Consider a continuous function [itex]f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}[/itex] and an arbitrary open [itex]U\subset\mathbb{R}[/itex]. Show that the inverse image under [itex]f[/itex] of [itex]U[/itex], [itex]f^{-1}[/itex], is open.

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The definitions of open sets and continuity

The Attempt at a Solution


Pick an arbitrary point in the set [itex]f^{-1}[/itex], [itex]x_0\in f^{-1}[/itex]. Then [itex]f(x_0)\in U[/itex] which implies that [itex]f(x_0)[/itex] is an interior point. Then there exists a [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex] such that [itex]V_{\epsilon}(f(x_0))[/itex] exists. Then since the function is continuous, there exists a [itex]\delta>0[/itex] such that for all [itex]x\in(x_0-\delta,x_0+\delta)\implies f(x)\in V_{\epsilon}(f(x_0))[/itex]. Then [itex](x_0-\delta,x_0+\delta)\subseteq U[/itex] which means there exists a [itex]V_{\delta}(x_0)\subseteq f^{-1}[/itex]. Then [itex]x_0[/itex] is an interior point, but [itex]x_0[/itex] was arbitrary so every point in [itex]f^{-1}[/itex] is an interior point. Hence, [itex]f^{-1}[/itex] is open. [itex]\blacksquare[/itex]
 
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What does the notation [itex]V_{\epsilon}(f(x_0))[/itex] mean? An open interval of width [tex]\epsilon[/tex] that contains [tex]f(x_0)[/tex] and is a subset of [tex]U[/tex]?
 
Stephen Tashi said:
What does the notation [itex]V_{\epsilon}(f(x_0))[/itex] mean? An open interval of width [tex]\epsilon[/tex] that contains [tex]f(x_0)[/tex] and is a subset of [tex]U[/tex]?

It means a neighborhood around [itex]f(x_0)[/itex] of width [itex]2\epsilon[/itex]. The interval [itex](f(x_0)-\epsilon,f(x_0)+\epsilon)[/itex]
 
It should say [itex]V_{\delta}(x_0)\subseteq f^{-1}[/itex] for starters, not a subset of U :redface:

EDIT: I fixed it.
 
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You need to say that [tex]V_\epsilon(f(x_0))[/tex] can be chosen to be a subset of [tex]U[/tex]. You aren't making it clear why the continuity of [tex]f(x)[/tex] makes it possible to find [tex]V_\delta(x_0)[/tex]. Does your text define continuity as a property involving a limit? If so, you need to explain why the definition allows you to find [tex]V_\delta[/tex].
 
Stephen Tashi said:
You need to say that [tex]V_\epsilon(f(x_0))[/tex] can be chosen to be a subset of [tex]U[/tex]. You aren't making it clear why the continuity of [tex]f(x)[/tex] makes it possible to find [tex]V_\delta(x_0)[/tex]. Does your text define continuity as a property involving a limit? If so, you need to explain why the definition allows you to find [tex]V_\delta[/tex].

Okay. [itex]V_\epsilon[/itex] is a subset since by definition an interior point has a neighborhood around it that is completely contained in the mother set.

I am given that the function is continuous. Then

[tex](\forall\epsilon>0)(\exists\delta>0)(\forall x)(|x-x_0|<\delta \implies |f(x)-f(x_0)|<\epsilon )[/tex].

I invoke the definition since I have found a neighborhood around [itex]f(x_0)[/itex] so I'm guaranteed a [itex]\delta[/itex]-neighborhood where all its members map into [itex]U[/itex]. Then the result follows.

If I were to include something like this in the proof would that be acceptable?
 
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jfy4 said:
Okay. [itex]V_\epsilon[/itex] is a subset
You mean that it may be chosen to be a subset of [tex]U[/tex].

"since by definition an interior point has a neighborhood around it that is completely contained in the mother set.

Yes, that's relevant after you have explained why [tex]f(x0)[/tex] is an interior point of [tex]U[/tex].

I am given that the function is continuous. Then

[tex](\forall\epsilon>0)(\exists\delta>0)(\forall x)(|x-x_0|<\delta \implies |f(x)-f(x_0)|<\epsilon[/tex].

OK, if that's how your text defines continuity. But the more common definitions are:

[tex]f(x)[/tex] is continuous at the point [tex]x_0[/tex] means [tex]lim_{x\rightarrow x_0} f(x) = f(x_0)[/tex]
and
[tex]f(x)[/tex] is continuous on the set [tex]S[/tex] means that for each point [tex]x_0 \in S[/tex], [tex]f(x)[/tex] is continuous at [tex]x_0[/tex].

In those definitions there is nothing said about epsilons or deltas. The epsilons and deltas come from applying the definition of limit to the definition of continuity.

(An amusing fact:
In courses on topology, the definition "f is continuous" is that for the mapping f, the inverse image of each open set is open. This is because in General Topology, no measurement of distance is used to define "open" set, so there are no epsilons and deltas available to define limits or continuity.)
 

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