The law of conservation of momentum

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the law of conservation of momentum, specifically in the context of a trailer that rolls away and subsequently receives a load of cement. Participants are exploring the implications of momentum conservation during this interaction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the interaction, questioning whether it qualifies as a collision and how momentum is conserved in both horizontal and vertical directions. There are attempts to balance the momenta before and after the cement falls into the trailer.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the conservation of momentum, suggesting that the system can be viewed as a collision or a merging of two masses. There is a recognition of the need to consider momentum in multiple directions, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the calculations or implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the momentum of the Earth can be neglected in the vertical direction, and there is an acknowledgment of external forces affecting the system, such as gravity.

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Homework Statement



a trailer with a mass of 150 kg happen to roll away with the speed 20 m/s. 450 kg cement fall staight down into the trailer! which speeds does the trailer get when the cement fall into it?

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I know how to solve it but I don't know why it works. Is it because this counts as a collision?

The Attempt at a Solution



150 * 20 = V(150+450)
 
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Where the situation is collision or merge, it satisfies
[tex]p_i = p_f.[/tex]
That's it.
 
Drizzy said:
Is it because this counts as a collision?
You can think of it as a collision. Or just think of "trailer + cement" as a system whose momentum (at least horizontally) is conserved.
 
okay thanks :)
 
Drizzy said:

Homework Statement



a trailer with a mass of 150 kg happen to roll away with the speed 20 m/s. 450 kg cement fall staight down into the trailer! which speeds does the trailer get when the cement fall into it?

Homework Equations


[/B]
I know how to solve it but I don't know why it works. Is it because this counts as a collision?

The Attempt at a Solution



150 * 20 = V(150+450)

Momentum is described by a vector, because velocity is a vector. You can bilance the momenta before and after the cement fell on the trailer in two perpendicular directions (x / horizontal & y / vertical) - in both directions momentum has to be conserved.

x: mT ⋅vT1x + mC ⋅vC1x = mT ⋅vT2x + mC ⋅vC2x = 150 kg ⋅ 20 m/s + 450 kg ⋅ 0 m/s = 150 kg ⋅ vT2x + 450 kg ⋅ vC2x with T2x = vC2x

The sum of the momenta of both objects in x-direction remains the same.

y: mT ⋅vT1y + mC ⋅vC1y = mT ⋅vT2y + mC ⋅vC2y = 150 kg ⋅ 0 m/s + 450 kg ⋅ vC1y > 150 kg ⋅ 0 + 450 kg ⋅ 0 m/s

As the momenta of the two objects can't be the same, a force must have affected them - the earth. Taking into account the momentum of Earth (assuming it was standing still, when the cement hit the trailer):

y: mT ⋅vT1y + mC ⋅vC1y + mE ⋅vE1y = mT ⋅vT2y + mC ⋅vC2y + mE ⋅vE2y = 150 kg ⋅ 0 m/s + 450 kg ⋅ vC1y + 5.6 ⋅1024 kg ⋅0 m/s = 150 kg ⋅ vT2y + 450 kg ⋅ vCy2 + 5.6 ⋅1024 kg ⋅ vE2y with vT2y = vC2y = vE2y

and you can calculate what's the velocity of the Earth (+ trailer + cement), due to this collision.
 

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