The mathematics of circular motion.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematics of circular motion, specifically focusing on centripetal force, angular momentum, and the equations that govern these concepts. Participants explore the relationships between forces acting on an object in circular motion and seek to understand the underlying mathematical principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Adam expresses interest in understanding the mathematics behind circular motion, particularly the equations related to centripetal force and angular momentum.
  • Some participants clarify that the centripetal force is the resultant of all forces acting on an object, noting that in many cases, such as a satellite orbiting Earth, the only significant force is the inward gravitational force.
  • There is a request for mathematical proof or derivation of the centripetal force formula, with references to external resources for further reading.
  • One participant shares a specific mathematical derivation involving equations related to distance, velocity, and acceleration, leading to the conclusion that acceleration in circular motion can be expressed as \( a = \frac{V^2}{r} \).
  • Another participant acknowledges the clarity gained from the mathematical derivation, indicating a positive reception to the explanation provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of centripetal force and its derivation, but there is no consensus on the completeness or clarity of the explanations provided in external resources. Some participants express a desire for deeper understanding and reasoning behind the formulas.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about forces acting on objects in circular motion, as well as the dependence on external resources for explanations. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved or are only partially explained.

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I am a high school student with a general interest in physics of all types.

We have learned that circular motion is possible because of the centripetal force acting towards the centre. I gather that the centripetal force is the resultant of the gravitational and outward forces. The object moving around the circle is accelerating because the direction of the object changes at tangents to the circles.

I would like to know about the mathematics which proves this. Can someone introduce some equations and explain them to me?

Where is the math which governs the net centripetal force?
Can we calculate the angular momentum?

Regards,
Adam
 
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ajassat said:
I gather that the centripetal force is the resultant of the gravitational and outward forces.

The centripetal force is simply the resultant of all forces acting on the object. In most situations where we discuss circular motion, there is no outward force acting on the object. For example, the only (significant) force on a satellite orbiting the Earth is the (inward) gravitational force exerted by the Earth.

I would like to know about the mathematics which proves this. Can someone introduce some equations and explain them to me?

Perhaps this page might help:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/cf.html
 
jtbell said:
The centripetal force is simply the resultant of all forces acting on the object. In most situations where we discuss circular motion, there is no outward force acting on the object. For example, the only (significant) force on a satellite orbiting the Earth is the (inward) gravitational force exerted by the Earth.



Perhaps this page might help:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/cf.html

The link was good in the sense it told me the formula and I was able to practice some calculations. However, using which logic and reasoning do we come to that formula?
 
Jeff Reid said:
Covered, but not explained well on that same web page:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/cf.html#cf2

given
1. S/r = dV/V
2. S = V dt

Solve 1. for S

S = r dv/V

substitute in 2.

r dv/V = V dt

rearange this

dv/dt = V^2 / r

a = dv/dt = V^2 / r

Excellent. I now see the logic behind the formula. Thank you.
 

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