The Matrix: What's the Deal with That?

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The discussion revolves around the premise of the movie "The Matrix," specifically questioning the concept of humans serving as efficient batteries for machines. Participants explore the implications of thermodynamics, the efficiency of energy use, and the narrative choices regarding the setting of the Matrix.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how humans can be efficient batteries, suggesting that burning them for energy would be more efficient than keeping them alive.
  • Others argue that the energy derived from feeding humans is not entirely lost, as it contributes to their biological processes, which could be a factor in the machines' energy strategy.
  • There is a discussion about the narrative choice of setting the Matrix in a modern context versus a medieval one, with some suggesting that a medieval setting would confuse people more about their reality.
  • Some participants highlight that the movie does not adequately explain the efficiency of humans as batteries, leading to various interpretations of the premise.
  • One participant emphasizes that if the Matrix were set in the Middle Ages, individuals would be more disoriented if they encountered the real world, compared to a sci-fi setting.
  • There are references to the laws of thermodynamics and how they apply to the energy dynamics presented in the movie.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the efficiency of humans as batteries and the implications of the Matrix's setting. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the validity of the arguments presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity in the movie regarding the energy dynamics of humans as batteries and the assumptions made about the efficiency of different energy sources.

  • #31
Originally posted by jb
my mistake, it's been a while.



yes, but wouldn't the nebucadnezzar run the risk of running into sentries there? you'd think there would be some kind of security system to protect against that. especially since the agents knew they wanted neo, the machines should have bumped up security around his pod.

They had to be in and out quick, as their only defense against the machines is the EMP device on the ship.
 
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  • #32
oh God.. thread.. out of control.. too long to read... ABORT

ABORT
 
  • #33
Originally posted by KillaMarcilla
So what's the deal with that? How can people act as efficient batteries?

even if they are efficient bateries (or heaters, whatever...) there's still a problem with that system. The food for the people in the "battery status" was liquified dead peple (as I remember ). So it uses humans to feed humans so that they can reproduce.. doesn't that sound a bit like perpetuum mobile ?
 
  • #34
Ok, I'll begin a vain attempt to patch up the shoddy science behind the power generator idea.

Morpheus et al were lied to. Perhaps by the oracle, I dunno. The humans were not trapped for power at all - instead, the machines use highly efficient fusion power generators. However, the humans are required because the Matrix represents the ultimate computer. By the networking of so many minds, the machines achieve a level of complexity and intuition that would have taken thousands of years to evolve. That's why the humans are kept conscious, and that explains the state of the Matrix. The matrix is not in fact created by the machines, but is in fact a collective dream of mankind. Hence as different people dream differently, Neo can effect the matrix. Morpheus et al wanted to believe in a reason to leave the matrix. They wanted to think of themselves as slaves to the machines, when they control the machines themselves. Hence they dream up the idea, and the matrix feeds it back to them.
 

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