The maximum height an object on a wire moves after a collision

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The problem involves a 0.04 kg bead sliding on a frictionless wire and colliding elastically with a 0.6 kg ball at rest. The goal is to determine the maximum height the ball reaches after the collision.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and energy equations, with some questioning the setup and application of these principles. There are attempts to derive final velocities and height using energy conservation, but inconsistencies in results prompt further inquiry.

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Some participants have provided alternative equations and suggested re-evaluating the conservation principles. There is ongoing exploration of the correct application of the equations, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct approach or solution.

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Participants note discrepancies in expected outcomes and calculations, indicating potential misunderstandings or misapplications of the equations involved. The original poster expresses confusion about the results and seeks clarification on the process.

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Homework Statement


A. 04 kg bead slides on a curved frictionless wire, starting from rest at point A. At point B, the bead collides elastically with a 0.6-kg ball at rest. Find the height that the ball moves up the wire.

The answer is .96 m.

Homework Equations



m1v1i + m2v2i=m1v1f + m2v2f

The Attempt at a Solution


PE lost by A = KE gained by A by the time it collides with B-->

mgh=1/2mvf^2
0.4 (9.8)(1.5) = 1/2 (0.4)vf^2
vf= square root ((2)(0.4)(9.8)(1.5)/.4)
vf= 5.422 m/sSo I use the equation for elastic collisions. . .

0+ 0.6 (5.422)= 0.4(5.422)+ 0.6 v2f

v2f= 1.8074 m/s

Then I plug in: mgh = 1/2mv^2

.6 (9.8) h = (1.8072^2) .5 .6
h= .16 m

THIS IS WRONG H IS SUPPOSED TO BE .96 m.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong!
 
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0+ 0.6 (5.422)= 0.4(5.422)+ 0.6 v2f

This equation is wrong. It should be

[tex]m_1v_{1i}+ m_2v_{2i} = m_1v_{1f} + m_2v_{2f}[/tex]

Similarly write down the equation for the conservation of energy. Using these two equations solve for final velocities of both the masses.
 
Hello! Thank you for your response.

Using a simplified equation derived from the conservation of energy (Serway & Faughn, 1992):

v1i + v1f = v2f +v2i----> v1f= v2f + v2i - v1i
m1v1i + m2v2i = m1(v2f + v2i - v1i) + m2v2f

I don't know what to plug in. I plug things in, but I am getting an incorrect answer. The answer should be -1.084. I am not getting this answer. Once I find the correct v2f I should be able to perform the last step correctly. . .
 
Using the conservation of momentum and energy, you will get

[tex]v_{1f} = \frac{v_{1i}(m_1 - m_2)}{(m_1 + m_2)}[/tex]

[tex]v_{2f} = \frac{2v_{1i}m_1}{(m_1 + m_2)}[/tex]

Now proceed.
 

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