The Method of Images (Electromagnetism)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the method of images in electromagnetism, particularly focusing on the implications of grounding a conducting plane and its electric potential. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical convenience, and the physical interpretation of potential in relation to grounded and ungrounded conductors.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why an infinite conducting plane is necessary for the method of images, suggesting that while it simplifies calculations, a large but finite plane could yield similar results with more complexity.
  • There is a discussion on the arbitrary nature of defining electric potential, with some noting that only potential differences are physically meaningful, and grounding is typically set to zero for convenience.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of grounding, with some stating that grounding allows a conductor to accept charge without changing its potential, thus establishing a fixed potential that can be set to zero.
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether the method of images applies to finite conducting planes, indicating a lack of consensus on this point.
  • Some participants emphasize that grounding does not imply the conductor becomes positively charged when electrons are allowed to flow to the ground, reiterating that the fixed potential remains unchanged regardless of charge movement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical convenience of grounding and the method of images, but multiple competing views remain regarding the necessity of infinite planes and the implications of grounding, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the physical significance of potential values and the conditions under which the method of images is applicable to finite versus infinite planes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in electromagnetism, particularly those exploring the method of images and the implications of grounding in theoretical and practical contexts.

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What is the effect of the plane that being grounded make its electric potential become zero?
Can anyone explain to me why grounded means zero electric potential. I confuse what's the relation between infinite ground conducting plane and its electric potential (the method of images).
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I have a several question:
1. Why the conductor plane must be infinite, while in reality there's no such one.
2. Why the electric potential must be zero to using this method?
2. If the plane isn't be grounded, does its electric potential not zero? What's exactly that making the potential in the plane zero when we grounded it? How ?
As far as I know that the electron easily run into the ground, does it mean the plane become positive charge?
 
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It's arbitrary what you define to be zero because only potential differences matter. If there is a ground connection then that's usually defined to be zero.

There is too much context missing to answer your individual questions.
1. Conducting plates don't have to be infinite in general.
2. Which method?
 
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sinus said:
1. Why the conductor plane must be infinite, while in reality there's no such one.
Because it makes the calculation easier. A large but finite plane would give approximately the same answer, but with more mathematical effort required.

sinus said:
2. Why the electric potential must be zero to using this method?
Because it makes the calculation easier. You can set it to any potential you like, but setting it to zero is convenient.

sinus said:
2. If the plane isn't be grounded, does its electric potential not zero?
Grounding allows the plane to accept charge without changing potential. So grounding produces a structure with a fixed potential. It is merely a mathematical convenience to set that fixed potential to zero.

sinus said:
What's exactly that making the potential in the plane zero when we grounded it? How ?
It is just an arbitrary choice. The value of potential is not physical. Only potential differences are physically meaningful.

sinus said:
As far as I know that the electron easily run into the ground, does it mean the plane become positive charge?
No. As I said above, grounding makes it so that the plane has a fixed potential which does not change as charges are added or removed.
 
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mfb said:
It's arbitrary what you define to be zero because only potential differences matter. If there is a ground connection then that's usually defined to be zero.

There is too much context missing to answer your individual questions.
1. Conducting plates don't have to be infinite in general.
2. Which method?
Thank you for your reply sir, I finally understand the method of images. Sorry for long tome didn't respond. For your feedback,number 2: the method that I meant is the method of images, like why using that solutions method (thank god, now I know the reason)
For number 1, I don't follow. So for a finite conducting planes the method of images is still apply?
 
Dale said:
Because it makes the calculation easier. A large but finite plane would give approximately the same answer, but with more mathematical effort required.

Because it makes the calculation easier. You can set it to any potential you like, but setting it to zero is convenient.

Grounding allows the plane to accept charge without changing potential. So grounding produces a structure with a fixed potential. It is merely a mathematical convenience to set that fixed potential to zero.

It is just an arbitrary choice. The value of potential is not physical. Only potential differences are physically meaningful.

No. As I said above, grounding makes it so that the plane has a fixed potential which does not change as charges are added or removed.
Thank you so much for your explanation sir, it really helpful for me :)
 

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