The Mystery of Mass & Charge: LHC Experiments

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mass and charge in the context of particle physics, particularly focusing on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) experiments. Participants explore the significance of charge, its fundamental nature, and its representation in the Standard Model, as well as the implications of mass in particle interactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about understanding how mass relates to particles and questions whether this implies a discovery regarding the nature of charge.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the Higgs boson is a key focus of LHC experiments, the understanding of charge remains unresolved, indicating that charges are fundamental properties that can emerge from theoretical frameworks.
  • There is mention of past theories attempting to model electromagnetism as an additional curled-up dimension, referencing Kaluza-Klein theory.
  • A participant notes that the Standard Model does not inherently explain why mass arises, paralleling this with the significance of charge within the model.
  • Discussion includes the idea that charge is a descriptor of interactions between particles and is determined experimentally rather than being fundamental in the Standard Model.
  • One participant suggests that charge can be viewed as a conserved quantity in isolated systems, linking it to Noether's theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the fundamental nature of charge or its significance in the Standard Model. Multiple competing views and interpretations are presented regarding the relationship between mass and charge.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the lack of clarity on the definitions of charge and mass, as well as the unresolved nature of the theoretical frameworks discussed. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding of quantum field theory among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying particle physics, theoretical physics, or anyone curious about the foundational concepts of mass and charge in the context of modern physics experiments.

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Biggest problem which LHC is worried about is knowing how mass is related to particles.does this mean that physical significance or understanding about charge is discovered.? If yes,what charge is.? If No,why scientists are not concerned to know about what fundamental charge is by conducting some experiments similar to LHC..Hope I sound meaningful.Thanks for answering
 
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Biggest problem which LHC is worried about is knowing how mass is related to particles.
Well, two LHC experiments try to find the Higgs boson, which is predicted by the Standard Model. While it is known that there has to be something which adds mass to the bosons of the weak force (W+, W-, Z), the Higgs mechanism is just the preferred way. There are other options, too.

this mean that physical significance or understanding about charge is discovered.?
No.

Charges (there are more than just the electromagnetic charge) are fundamental properties of particles. Unlike the mass of three bosons mentioned above, charges can just appear from the theory, you don't need something special to get them.
 
mfb said:
charges can just appear from the theory, you don't need something special to get them.

Is there any link where I can get data about this.I read that the standard model doesn't find any need why mass arises,In similar way,Is significance of charge stated in standard model
 


Well, the Lagrangian of the Standard Model (basically the thing you have to find to describe physics) contains terms which describe the interaction between bosons (force carriers) and fermions ("regular particles"), so you can read off which particles will interact with which. Charge is just a way to say "this particle interacts via this force [in this strength]". I don't know how to explain it in more detail without any actual quantum field theory, so you might look for an introduction in that yourself.

Mass is different - it determines the coupling to gravity (so you could call mass "gravitational charge"), but in addition it is important for inertia of particles.

The charges of the individual particles are not something fundamental in the Standard Model - they are determined in experiments and put into the theory. But it is easy to do this.
 


You ask what is charge.
There several charges.
I think one can say that a charge is what is globally conserved during time or scattering for isolated systems. They are conserved at each vertex of Feynman diagrams.
search Noether charge on wikipedia
 

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