The optics of circular polarizers in photography

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The discussion centers on the functioning of circular polarizers in photography, specifically how they work with visible light and the implications of using wave plates. Participants explore the technical aspects of circular polarization, the design of wave plates, and their effectiveness across the visible spectrum.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that circular polarizers consist of a linear polarizer and a quarter wave plate, which is intended to circularize linearly polarized light for use in SLR cameras.
  • Concerns are raised about the wavelength specificity of wave plates, with one participant suggesting that if a wave plate is optimized for a specific wavelength, other wavelengths may not achieve true circular polarization.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that achromatic wave plates could be used to mitigate dispersion across a broader wavelength range, although the cost of such components may be prohibitive for photography.
  • Some participants argue that the birefringent material used in wave plates does not significantly disperse the 90-degree phase difference across the visible spectrum, implying a more consistent performance than initially suggested.
  • It is noted that the effectiveness of circular polarizers in photography does not require perfect circularization across all wavelengths, as long as sufficient polarized light is available for autofocus systems.
  • One participant discusses the implications of using a quarter-wave plate at non-ideal angles or wavelengths, leading to elliptically polarized light instead of circularly polarized light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and design of circular polarizers, particularly regarding the impact of wavelength on polarization and the practicality of using achromatic wave plates. No consensus is reached on the best explanation of how circular polarizers function across the visible spectrum.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the performance of wave plates across different wavelengths and the potential trade-offs in cost and design for photographic applications.

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For some years I've had a nagging question about the details of how a circular polarizer, as used by photographers, actually works. After a google search, I see lots of sites saying that the filter consists of a linear polarizer and a quarter wave plate. The wave plate is supposed to "circularize" the incident linearly polarized light. This is desirable because the optics in an SLR camera (in particular, the partially transmitting mirror) are designed to have equal amounts of the two linear polarization components. Both randomly and circularly polarized light will work; linearly polarized light will not.

Okay, here is my problem: wave plates are designed to work at specific, discrete wavelengths. But visible light is comprised of a continuous spectrum, covering nearly a factor of two range of wavelengths (400 to 700 nm). So if a specific wavelength in that range gets circularly polarized, other wavelengths will not be; the "quarter wave" plate will be the wrong thickness, and give the wrong amount of relative phase shift, for most wavelengths in the visible range.

I have thought of two possible ways in which these filters could work:

1. the wave plate produces a λ/4 relative shift at about 550 nm, in the center of the visible spectrum. Light of other wavelengths are elliptically polarized, but it still works well enough for the purpose at hand.

2. the wave plate produces a relative shift of nλ, where n is a large number (not necessarily an integer) for visible wavelengths. For some wavelengths, n will be an integer ±¼ and the light is truly circularly polarized. But in general different wavelengths are polarized elliptically. The mix of the two linear polarizations is pretty equal, on average, so this does not present a problem.​

Does anybody know which of these cases correctly describes circular polarizers? Or is something else going on?
 
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Redbelly98 said:
Okay, here is my problem: wave plates are designed to work at specific, discrete wavelengths. But visible light is comprised of a continuous spectrum, covering nearly a factor of two range of wavelengths (400 to 700 nm). So if a specific wavelength in that range gets circularly polarized, other wavelengths will not be; the "quarter wave" plate will be the wrong thickness, and give the wrong amount of relative phase shift, for most wavelengths in the visible range.

I do not know whether this approach is too expensive for usage in photography, but you can use achromatic waveplates that have a rather shallow dispersion over a rather broad wavelength range (200-400 nm broad). Here you use two waveplates made from different materials which offer opposite dispersions and can thereby compensate for the dispersion partially.

For example Thor Labs have a comparison of "common" and achromatic waveplates on their page:

http://www.thorlabs.de/images/TabImages/AHWP05M_Chart_1200px.jpg"
 
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Redbelly98 said:
Okay, here is my problem: wave plates are designed to work at specific, discrete wavelengths.
These aren't 1/4lambda thick plates they are a thin birefringent material (with different refractive index in each polarization) the 1/4 wave should really be thought of as 90deg phase - it's not a thickness.

The birefringent material aren't that dispersive the 90deg phase difference is pretty much constant over the visible band.
 
NobodySpecial said:
These aren't 1/4lambda thick plates they are a thin birefringent material (with different refractive index in each polarization) the 1/4 wave should really be thought of as 90deg phase - it's not a thickness.
Looking at my optics text, it explains that the thickness, d, is chosen to make the difference n1d - n2d equal to 1/4 wavelength. Where n1 and n2 are the indexes. Just saying.
 
Cthugha said:
I do not know whether this approach is too expensive for usage in photography, but you can use achromatic waveplates that have a rather shallow dispersion over a rather broad wavelength range (200-400 nm broad). Here you use two waveplates made from different materials which offer opposite dispersions and can thereby compensate for the dispersion partially.

For example Thor Labs have a comparison of "common" and achromatic waveplates on their page:

http://www.thorlabs.de/images/TabImages/AHWP05M_Chart_1200px.jpg"
Hey, thanks! Hmmm, the $780 price of http://www.thorlabs.com/NewGroupPage9.cfm?ObjectGroup_ID=854" is a lot more than the $50-or-so price of a photographic circular polarizer. Makes me wonder if that is what is going on with the camera filters. Relaxing some of the specifications, like damage threshold and surface quality, would bring the price down, but we are talking an order of magnitude on the price here. Still, it may be possible to do what you suggest cheaply enough.

NobodySpecial said:
These aren't 1/4lambda thick plates they are a thin birefringent material (with different refractive index in each polarization) the 1/4 wave should really be thought of as 90deg phase - it's not a thickness.

The birefringent material aren't that dispersive the 90deg phase difference is pretty much constant over the visible band.

Hi,
I'm aware of how wave plates work. Waves of the two orthogonal linear polarizations travel at different speeds through the material. To the extent those speeds are independent of wavelength, the two polarizations become offset by a fixed amount of time for a fixed plate thickness. This time difference will correspond to 90°, or a quarter of a cycle, only for certain wavelengths. It is not 90° for all wavelengths.

In other words, you get the red curves in these plots:

http://www.thorlabs.com/images/TabImages/AQWP05M_Chart_1200px.jpg

Note how the retardance varies from 0.22 to 0.42 waves, or 80° to 150° in phase, over the visible range of 400-700 nm.
 
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Redbelly98 said:
For some years I've had a nagging question about the details of how a circular polarizer, as used by photographers, actually works.

Good question- Tiffen and Hoya both manke good ones, and neither gives details about the components. The only achromatic retarders I know of are rather thick, but these guys:

http://www.optigrafix.com/circular_polarizer.htm

make a thin film retarder.
 
Remember the photography ones don't have to circularize all colors equally - they just have to put enough of the polarized light back into circular for the AF to work - it doesn't have any effect on the photo.
 
Andy Resnick said:
. . . these guys:

http://www.optigrafix.com/circular_polarizer.htm

make a thin film retarder.
The exit beam's longitudinal :bugeye: polarization, between the wave plate and polarizer, is rather interesting...
 
If you hit the quarter-wave plate at 45° with light that isn't at the right frequency, what you get is elliptically polarized light instead. If you place a quarter-wave plate that's designed for 500nm, deep red and deep blue will be slightly elliptical, but for purposes of photography, it's going to be pretty much the same thing. You won't notice a 10% difference in intensities between the two axis.
 
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Redbelly98 said:
The exit beam's longitudinal :bugeye: polarization, between the wave plate and polarizer, is rather interesting...

Heh... I'm thinking that's just the way they drew it.

Although in the near-field, there is a longitudinal polarization component.
 

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