Intensity as light passes through two quarter-wave plates?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of polarized light as it passes through a series of optical elements, specifically two quarter-wave plates and polarizers. Participants are exploring the intensity output of the light after these interactions, particularly focusing on the angle of the second quarter-wave plate for maximum transmission. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and calculations related to polarization and phase shifts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving unpolarized light passing through a polarizer, followed by two quarter-wave plates, and ending with a second polarizer at 90°.
  • There is uncertainty about how the polarized light behaves when it reaches the quarter-wave plates and what angle the second quarter-wave plate should be set to for maximum intensity transmission.
  • Some participants propose that quarter-wave plates cause phase shifts in the electric components of light, with a 45° orientation resulting in circular polarization and other angles leading to elliptical polarization.
  • Another participant suggests using Jones vectors/matrices as a method to analyze the problem, but acknowledges that they have not covered that approach yet.
  • There is a question about the polarization state of light after passing through the first quarter-wave plate and how that affects the subsequent interactions.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the effect of the angle of the quarter-wave plate on the output intensity and seeks clarification on the implications of the phase shifts caused by the plates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations and effects of the quarter-wave plates on intensity and polarization. There is no consensus on the optimal angle for the second quarter-wave plate or the method to determine the output intensity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of consensus on the mathematical approach to calculate intensity, dependence on the definitions of polarization states, and unresolved questions about the specific effects of the quarter-wave plates.

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I have unpolarized light passing through a polarizator assuming the angle 0°. The polarized light then passes through two quarter-wave plates, the first one with the angle of 45° (maximum intensity) and the other one. Then it passes through a last polarizator having an orientation perpendicular to the first polarizator, that is 90°.

What is the intensity output? I don't know how the polarized light behaves when reaching the quarter-wave plates. What angle should the second one be for maximum transmission?

It is in my understanding that quarter-wave plates only causes a phase shift in the electric components, 45° will cause circular polarization and anything else elliptically. Reaching the other should make it linearly polarized. I just don't understand how to calculate the output intensity. I have read that quarter-wave plates does not affect intensity but how come they can cancel each other out then.
 
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Mulz said:
I have unpolarized light passing through a polarizator assuming the angle 0°. The polarized light then passes through two quarter-wave plates, the first one with the angle of 45° (maximum intensity) and the other one. Then it passes through a last polarizator having an orientation perpendicular to the first polarizator, that is 90°.

What is the intensity output? I don't know how the polarized light behaves when reaching the quarter-wave plates. What angle should the second one be for maximum transmission?

It is in my understanding that quarter-wave plates only causes a phase shift in the electric components, 45° will cause circular polarization and anything else elliptically. Reaching the other should make it linearly polarized. I just don't understand how to calculate the output intensity. I have read that quarter-wave plates does not affect intensity but how come they can cancel each other out then.

This type of problem is easily analyzed by using Jones vectors/matrices:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_calculus
 
Andy Resnick said:
This type of problem is easily analyzed by using Jones vectors/matrices:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_calculus
We haven't gone through that.

Is there another way of determining the intensity as it passes through:

Polaroid (0°) → Quarter wave-plate (45°) → Quarter-wave plate (?°) → Polaroid (90°)

The second quarter-wave plate should have an angle in which intensity transmitted total intensity is at maximum. Not sure how to get it.
 
Mulz said:
We haven't gone through that.

Is there another way of determining the intensity as it passes through:

I'm sure there are other ways, using the Jones calculus is just the easiest. Do you understand what is meant by 'Quarter wave-plate (45°)': what is at 45°? Try thinking about this- what is the polarization state of the light after it passes through the first retarder?
 
Andy Resnick said:
I'm sure there are other ways, using the Jones calculus is just the easiest. Do you understand what is meant by 'Quarter wave-plate (45°)': what is at 45°? Try thinking about this- what is the polarization state of the light after it passes through the first retarder?

Through the first polaroid it become linearly polarized. I'm not sure what the angle of the quarter-wave plate does. I know that it phase shifts the electric vector components so they oscillate with a 90 degree difference, basically circular polarization. Not sure what 45 degrees does on it.
 
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