The partial pressure of gases below sea level?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of partial pressure of gases experienced by divers below sea level, particularly focusing on how atmospheric pressure is measured underwater and its implications for diving, such as nitrogen narcosis. Participants explore the relationship between water pressure and atmospheric pressure at depth, as well as the physiological responses of divers.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the partial pressure of gases at 33 feet underwater is effectively doubled due to the hydrostatic pressure of the water, but questions how this is measured given the surrounding water.
  • Another participant explains that scuba divers use tanks of compressed air regulated to match the surrounding water pressure, which varies with depth.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the lungs can regulate pressure independently of a tank, and how they manage pressure changes when ascending or descending.
  • Further clarification is provided that the pressure inside the lungs is generally equal to the external pressure, with minor variations during breathing.
  • One participant reiterates the concept that atmospheric pressure is used as a reference, and at 33 feet, the combined pressure from water and atmospheric pressure equals double the standard atmospheric pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the measurement of pressure underwater and the physiological mechanisms involved in pressure regulation. There is no consensus on the specifics of how pressure is managed by the lungs or the implications of nitrogen narcosis.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the behavior of gases under pressure and the physiological responses of the human body, which may not be fully explored or resolved in the discussion.

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Hello everyone,

The partial pressure of the atmosphere 33 feat benath the surface is doubled the normal amount. (2x760 mmHg). I can understand how lower you go down higher the pressure but I don't understand how you can measure atmospheric pressure under the sea. I mean under the sea you got water around you not atmosphere. Are the gases in atmosphere dissolved in this water. My question is mainly related to divers under the sea. They get double the atmospheric pressure of nitrogen and nitrogen narcosis could occur. So how do you get double the N2 in the atmosphere when you are surrounded by the sea. Also why do these effects occur when divers are using an oxygen tank. The gases inside the oxygen tank is normal atmospheric pressure right. Thanks :smile:
 
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Scuba divers use tanks of compressed air. This air goes through the special kind of valve, called diving regulator - so that air that is feeded to the diver has exactly the pressure of surrounding water. So its pressure depends on the depth and is not constant.
 
Borek said:
Scuba divers use tanks of compressed air. This air goes through the special kind of valve, called diving regulator - so that air that is feeded to the diver has exactly the pressure of surrounding water. So its pressure depends on the depth and is not constant.

So the pressure inside the lungs is equal to the pressure outside the body. Is this because pressure outside pushes on you and lung increases the pressure by same amount to neutralize this. Please feel free to explain this more. So can lungs regulate pressure without a tank. When you climb up a mountain does the lung regulate pressure to keep up with the low pressure outside. How does the lung do this and how does the lung neutralize the pressure acting all around your body.

Thanks a lot for the help!
 
sameeralord said:
So the pressure inside the lungs is equal to the pressure outside the body.

More or less. In fact lungs are open to the air (just like an open bottle) so there is no way for the pressure in the lungs to differ much from the surroundings. When you are breathing you are creating some over- and underpressure to move the air, but these differences are small, and they are relative to the externall pressure, whatever it is.
 
sameeralord said:
Hello everyone,

The partial pressure of the atmosphere 33 feat benath the surface is doubled the normal amount. (2x760 mmHg). I can understand how lower you go down higher the pressure but I don't understand how you can measure atmospheric pressure under the sea. I mean under the sea you got water around you not atmosphere...

They are just using atmospheric pressure as a reference pressure. At approximately 33 feet, the hydrostatic head pressure of the water is equivalent to 1 atm or approximately 14.69 psia (760 mmHg). Since atmospheric pressure is also 14.69 psia (760 mmHg), you have P_atm + P_hyd = 2x760 mmHg.

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