The probability that two or more of six events occur with known chances

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on calculating the probability that two or more out of six independent events occur, given their individual probabilities. Participants explore different methods for arriving at this probability, including the use of the "or" rule and considerations of mutual exclusivity.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for calculating the probability of two or more events occurring, expressing concern about using the "or" rule due to potential inaccuracies.
  • Another participant agrees that the presented equation is a strong approach, while also referencing alternative methods discussed in a linked thread.
  • Some participants emphasize the assumption of independence among the events, noting that this was not explicitly stated in the original post but was implied by the formula.
  • There is a discussion about mutual exclusivity, with a participant explaining how it applies to the scenario of tossing coins and calculating probabilities of heads.
  • Several participants reiterate the importance of ensuring that the probabilities remain within the range of 0 to 1, particularly when using the proposed equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the independence of the events and the validity of the proposed equation, but there is no consensus on the best method to calculate the probability, as alternative approaches are suggested and discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original post does not explicitly mention the independence of events, which is critical for the calculations discussed. The implications of mutual exclusivity are also highlighted, particularly in relation to the example of coin tossing.

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Let me borrow your cleverness, please?
I have six events with known probabilities ##p_1, ..., p_6##. Find the probability of two or more of these events occurring together? I can't think of a clever way to calculate this without using the problematic "or" is addition rule, but using that rule I get the required probability is

P(2 or more events) ##= 1-\prod_{k=1}^{6}\left( 1-p_{k}\right) - \sum_{j=1}^{6}p_{j} \prod_{l\neq j}^{6}\left( 1-p_{l}\right)##
 
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I believe the equation you are showing is the best there is.
 
The stated equation is probably going to be OP's preferred approach.

Alternative ways to get the same answer are discussed at some length here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/probability-of-at-least-two-happening.965141/
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note: what I've said assumes the events are independent... nothing in the original post explicitly mentioned independence or dependencies though it was implied by the stated formula
 
StoneTemplePython said:
note: what I've said assumes the events are independent... nothing in the original post explicitly mentioned independence or dependencies though it was implied by the stated formula

Correct, the events are independent. Thank you. I just wanted to avoid using the “or” rule because sometimes it leads to bad results (e.g. probabilities greater than 1).
 
benorin said:
Correct, the events are independent. Thank you. I just wanted to avoid using the “or” rule because sometimes it leads to bad results (e.g. probabilities greater than 1).

so this is really the other item of interest for dependencies -- mutual exlcusivity. When you toss 6 coins you either have 0, 1, 2, 3, 4,5, or 6 instances of 'heads'. That's a partition of the sample space -- i.e. mutually exclusive events that cover the entire sample space. Denote ##A_k## being the event of ##k## heads after tossing all 6 coins

with
##A = A_2 \cup A_3 \cup A_4 \cup A_5 \cup A6##
you want ##P(A)## but you know ##P(A) + P(A^C) = 1##
so your original post correctly calculates
##P\big(A\big)= 1 - P\big(A^C\big) = 1 - P\big(A_0 \cup A_1\big) = 1 - \big\{ P\big(A_0\big) + P\big(A_1\big) \big\}##
where we can safely apply the 'or' rule here because the probability of union of mutually exclusive events is equal to the sum of those probabilities. Again because you cannot have both 0 out of 6 coins be heads and 1 out of 6 coins be heads on a given trial -- they are mutually exclusive events.
 
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benorin said:
Correct, the events are independent. Thank you. I just wanted to avoid using the “or” rule because sometimes it leads to bad results (e.g. probabilities greater than 1).
The equation you provided will give you the correct answer - and, as long as each probability is from 0 to 1, the result will also be 0 to 1.
 

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