The relationship between limits and motion? (Limits in calc)

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The discussion explores the relationship between limits in calculus and concepts of motion and position in physics, particularly in the context of the Planck length and the implications of infinitesimal values. Participants reflect on the nature of reality and the potential "fuzziness" of measurements at very small scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant connects the concept of limits in calculus to the idea that all motion could be approximations, suggesting that reality may be "fuzzy" due to the Planck length.
  • Another participant argues that calculus and the Planck length are unrelated, stating that limits do not require consideration of such small scales and that classical physics breaks down before reaching the Planck length.
  • A participant reflects on their initial thoughts about the significance of magnitude and questions whether infinitely close values imply that true positions cannot be defined.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no uncertainty in calculus, emphasizing that breaking things down into infinitely small pieces leads to exact values.
  • One participant raises a mathematical analogy about real numbers being "infinitely close" and whether they can be considered the same, linking this to the concept of position in physics.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance of the Planck length to calculus and the nature of uncertainty in measurements. There is no consensus on the implications of limits for defining positions in relation to motion.

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Some participants acknowledge that their thoughts may not be fully formed or correct, indicating a learning stage in their understanding of the concepts discussed.

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The first day of physics 211 (calculus based) at my school, our teacher started us out with dimensional analysis and it's importance. We started with the plank length which is in meters and while he didn't specify why, we used the plank constant ,gravitational constant, and the speed of light to find the length of a plank. This relates to my thought from limits in calculus. If we define a limit as infentesimally small point away from another. What does this imply that all of motion could be very accurate estimates ?. If we have a length (a plank) that is where macro physics breaks down doesn't that imply that our entire universe is fuzzy ? That all of reality is just slightly better estimates and that we don't have a true exact value for a position?
Note: this is just my thoughts and I would love to hear from both graduated physics majors as I am only a freshman.
Edit: sorry admins for the wrong section, thank you for moving my thread to a better spot!
 
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Calculus has nothing to do with Planck length. You do not need to consider Planck length at all to apply limits. A differential is a purely mathematical object and has nothing to do with Planck length.

I'm not sure why your teacher decided to bring up Planck length. You won't need that number for any physics at an undergraduate level. The Planck length is very, very small. Classical physics breaks down way before you get that small. Quantum mechanics will answer some of your questions about "fuzziness", but even quantum mechanics probably breaks down around the Planck length, and you need a theory of quantum gravity, which is not something you will study in class, but rather a subject of advanced theoretical research.
 
The actually lesson was only about analyzing units, but I decided to think more (even though I am completely wrong ) about the significance of magnitude. In essence I was just thinking out loud and trying to make connections that might not be there.
My full thought was probably worded improperly.
I guess I was thinking in my head if we can find values infinitely close to something could that mean that we could not define a true position to something in relation to another? Or is every value of position just an infinitely close enough value? That lead me to feel like all of the universe is a fuzzy line if you look really really close.
I realize I'm probably making no sense, but this is the learning stage.
 
There is uncertainty in position, but not because of calculus. There is no uncertainty in calculus. If you break things down into infinitely small pieces, it becomes exact.
 
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CalebB-M said:
I guess I was thinking in my head if we can find values infinitely close to something could that mean that we could not define a true position to something in relation to another?
In a way this is similar to a question in mathematics. Supposing you have two real numbers that are "infinitely close" together, are they the same number? The classical treatment says that they are. Hence if positions are expressible by real numbers, then I suppose infinitely close positions are the same position.

Or is every value of position just an infinitely close enough value? That lead me to feel like all of the universe is a fuzzy line if you look really really close.
I realize I'm probably making no sense, but this is the learning stage.
No problem. It's an interesting question. "Infinitely close" is usually taken to mean "closer than any finite number," in which case there can never be a "close enough" where you can tell the difference.
 
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