The role of phonons in momentum conservation

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The discussion revolves around the role of phonons in momentum conservation during indirect electronic transitions in crystals. Participants explore the relationship between phonons, crystal momentum, and the momentum of electrons and the lattice, focusing on theoretical implications and conceptual clarifications.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that phonons do not carry momentum but instead carry crystal momentum, which they argue are distinct concepts.
  • One participant suggests that in an indirect transition, the change in crystal momentum of the electron is compensated by a change in the crystal momentum of the phonon.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the true momentum of the electron is not relevant in this context, as it is not in a momentum eigenstate.
  • There is a discussion about the mean value of the true momentum of the electron, defined as the mass of the electron times its group velocity.
  • A participant mentions that the lattice can absorb arbitrary amounts of momentum, implying that momentum conservation is straightforward in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of momentum and crystal momentum, with no consensus reached on the implications of phonons in momentum conservation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the separation of phonon momentum from crystal momentum.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the distinction between true momentum and crystal momentum without fully resolving the implications of these definitions. There are assumptions about the behavior of electrons in non-momentum eigenstates that are not explicitly detailed.

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In an indirect transition from the valence band maximum to conduction band minimum, the momentum of electron and hole would not change but the crystal momentum would change and this change is supplied by phonons.I have two questions here:
1) phonons don't carry momentum so how they can transfer their momentum to the crystal?
2) phonons are part of the crystal. why do we separate their momentum from crystal momentum?
 
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Phonons don't carry momentum but they carry crystal momentum which are two completely different things.
 
DrDu said:
Phonons don't carry momentum but they carry crystal momentum which are two completely different things.
Ok, but crystal momentum's change is sum of electron momentum's change and momentum change of the crystal;Ok? If yes, in the explained situation electron momentum is not changed so the momentum of crystal must be changed by phonons!
 
In an indirect transition, the electrons crystal momentum changes this is compensated by a change of crystal momentum of the phonon.
I don't see any problem here.
The true momentum of the electron doesn't interest anyone in that context, as it isn't in a momentum eigenstate anyhow.
 
DrDu said:
The true momentum of the electron doesn't interest anyone in that context, as it isn't in a momentum eigenstate anyhow.
Yes, But what I meant was the mean value of true momentum of electron which is "mass of electron times its group velocity".
 
As I already explained in another thread, the lattice itself (as opposed to the phonons) can take up arbitrary amounts of momentum, so momentum conservation is always trivial.
 

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