The Self-Decoherence of Schroedinger's Cat

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The discussion revolves around the concept of self-decoherence in the context of Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment. Participants explore theoretical models, implications of quantum mechanics, and the nature of observation in quantum systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a model where the cat is split into two half-cats, suggesting they decohere each other and questioning whether their observed states would match upon opening the box.
  • Another participant notes that the original Schrödinger's Cat scenario was designed to illustrate a specific point and may not apply broadly, suggesting that the two possible cats could interact or interfere before observation.
  • A different participant argues against the half-cat model, stating that each half-cat is already decohered prior to interaction, thus challenging the coherence necessary for decoherence to be relevant.
  • One participant references an external paper related to self-decoherence of a cat, indicating further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of the half-cat model, with no consensus reached on the nature of decoherence or the interpretation of the thought experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for coherent quantum systems for decoherence to apply, and there are unresolved questions regarding the interactions between the proposed half-cats and their implications for observation.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, philosophical implications of quantum theory, and the interpretation of thought experiments in physics may find this discussion relevant.

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A toy model might be to split the cat into two half-cats, each decohering the other. I'm intrigued by the idea that half-cat-1 is in a mixed state relative to half-cat-2 and vice versa. My question is, is there any reason to think that the actual cases observed by the two half-cats are going to be the same? We can open the box and look and we then, obviously (?) see the cat either alive or dead. All of it. Which would suggest that the two half-cat mixtures do actualise (?) the same way. (Is that reasonable?) But before the box is opened - how are the two observations guaranteed to match? Of course it might be more correct to say the two half-cats are entangled - |living>|living>+|dead>|dead> - but, in that case, self-decoherence doesn't get rid of the paradox, which is that "the wave function contains both cats".
 
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The Schroedinger's Cat story was intended to make a particular point. It doesn't extend too far.
I have often altered the story by noting that before the box is opened, by normal QM rules, those two possible cats would "interact"/"interfere" with each other. So perhaps you open the box and discover a cat that has recently feasted on its dead alternative.
 
kered rettop said:
A toy model might be to split the cat into two half-cats, each decohering the other.
This doesn't work because each half-cat is already decohered even before we take into account its interactions with the other half-cat.

In order to even make sense of decoherence, you have to start with a quantum system that is coherent, and then look at how interactions with an environment decohere it. A half-cat isn't coherent to start with.
 
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