The set of Lorentz boosts and space rotations form a group

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical representation of Lorentz boosts and space rotations as part of Lorentz transformations, specifically focusing on the group properties of these transformations. Participants explore the explicit form of the 4x4 matrices that represent these transformations and the implications for proving group properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the set of Lorentz boosts and space rotations is equivalent to Lorentz transformations and seeks the explicit matrix form to demonstrate group properties.
  • Another participant suggests that the matrix form is not strictly necessary to prove the group properties, but acknowledges that finding a general form for arbitrary boosts is complex.
  • A third participant points to external resources for the general form of Lorentz boosts in any direction, noting that it does not include spatial rotations.
  • Further clarification is provided that "boost in any arbitrary direction" is synonymous with "boost in some specified direction," which refers to the direction of the velocity vector.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the matrix form for proving group properties, with some emphasizing its importance while others downplay it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to demonstrate the group properties of Lorentz transformations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of finding a general form for arbitrary boosts and the potential confusion arising from mixing boosts and rotations. There is an implicit assumption that understanding the matrix representation is crucial for the discussion.

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Ok. I understand that the set of Lorentz boosts and space rotations is equivalent to the set of Lorentz transformations. I understand that they form a group, but what I cannot seem to grasp is this. What the explicit form of such 4x4 matrices? One needs to know this in order to show that the properties of a group hold. The way I thought they were represented is as follows:

L_{x}[\beta]=\left(\begin{array}{cccc} \gamma & -\beta \gamma & 0 & 0 \\-\beta \gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \end{array}\right)

The Lorentz boosts in the y and z directions would have similar elements in different entries of the matrix. Is this all I have to work with to show that the Lorentz transformations form a group?
 
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You don't absolutely need the matrix form to prove things are a group. If you still want to do it this way, you need to find the matrix for an arbitrary boost, not just the boost along one axis, which is a mess - why you usually don't see it.
 
If you really want to see the general form, you can find it on Wikipedia at Lorentz transformation#Boost in any direction. See also the end of the next section "Composition of two boosts" which gives the same result using 3-vectors.

(Note that this is a boost in any arbitrary direction, but doesn't include any rotation of the spatial axes.)
 
DrGreg said:
If you really want to see the general form, you can find it on Wikipedia at Lorentz transformation#Boost in any direction. See also the end of the next section "Composition of two boosts" which gives the same result using 3-vectors.

(Note that this is a boost in any arbitrary direction, but doesn't include any rotation of the spatial axes.)

So this general form represents a boost in any direction. If we multiply that by some arbitrary rotation along the spatial axes will we in turn find the boost in some specified direction? I feel like I am confusing myself.
 
"boost in any arbitrary direction" means "boost in some specified direction". The specified direction is the direction of the velocity (3-)vector \vec v.
 

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