The Stefan-Boltzmann Law on Pure Proton Plasma

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the applicability of the Stefan-Boltzmann law to a pure proton plasma, particularly in relation to its energy loss mechanisms and stability. Participants explore theoretical implications, stability concerns, and the nature of radiation in non-neutral plasmas.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Stefan-Boltzmann law applies to a plasma composed solely of protons, suggesting that it may only pertain to objects containing electrons.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the stability of such a plasma, speculating that a Coulomb explosion could occur, complicating the assignment of a temperature.
  • Discussion includes the idea that non-neutral plasmas can be confined for extended periods using a Penning Trap, with a focus on whether energy loss follows the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
  • Some participants propose that while the Stefan-Boltzmann law is derived from Planck's law, which assumes oscillators like electrons, protons may also radiate energy, potentially following the fourth power of temperature.
  • There is a suggestion that protons, as charged components, could oscillate and emit energy, although the specifics of how this relates to the Stefan-Boltzmann law remain debated.
  • One participant asserts that the presence of charged components, such as protons, is sufficient for radiation, challenging the notion that only electrons are relevant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Stefan-Boltzmann law to pure proton plasma, with some arguing it may not apply due to the absence of electrons, while others suggest that protons could still radiate energy according to the law. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms of energy loss in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on the assumptions underlying the Stefan-Boltzmann law and its derivation from Planck's law, as well as the implications of non-neutral plasma behavior on energy loss mechanisms.

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Hi guys. I had a question concerning a pure proton plasma with a given temperature and its loss of energy due to the Stefan-Boltzmann law. From my understanding, the Stefan-Boltzmann law applies to objects that contain electrons. I don't think that's true but I would like to know if it is. If true, then does the Stefan-Boltzmann law not apply to plasma composed purely of protons?
 
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How would such a plasma be stable at all (long enough to assign a temperature to it)? I would expect a Coulomb explosion.
 
I've read that non-neutral plasmas are actually easier to confine. They can be confined for long periods of time using a Penning Trap. I am guessing that they supply energy to the plasma to compensate for losses. However, does the plasma lose energy due to the Stefan-Boltzmann law? I am aware of losses due to collisions and what not but I am interested in whether they lose energy according the the fourth power of their temperature.
 
A penning trap is great to capture a few charged particles with few interactions between them and negligible total charge.
quantumfoam said:
I am guessing that they supply energy to the plasma to compensate for losses.
Usually, cooling is a nice feature.

I would expect to see the 4th power there as well, but as the plasma is thin the prefactor will be different.
 
If it were possible to trap a large number of charged particles, would the resulting mass of proton plasma lose power according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law? You said you would expect to see it, right? I always thought that an object couldn't emit blackbody radiation unless it had oscillators such as electrons. Correct me if I am wrong to assume that please.
 
I assumed the Stefan-Boltzmann (SB) law only applied to objects that had electrons since the SB law can be derived from Planck's law, which itself was derived on the assumption that the blackbody has oscillators. Since there are no electrons to oscillate around the protons in a pure proton plasma, wouldn't the plasma follow energy losses due to other processes and not due to the SB law?
 
The object needs charged components. Protons or other nuclei are charged components.
There is nothing special about electrons, they are just lighter and therefore easier to accelerate.
 
So the protons composing the plasma would oscillate to give off energy according to the fourth power of their temperature as well?
 
They would certainly radiate, and I would be surprised if it is not the fourth power.
 
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Thank you for your time, mfb (:
 

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