Understanding the Stefan-Boltzmann Law (when the surroundings are hotter)

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The discussion revolves around the Stefan-Boltzmann Law, particularly in scenarios where the surroundings are at a higher temperature than the object in question. Participants explore the interrelation of the Stefan-Boltzmann Law with conduction and Newton's Law of Cooling, questioning the definitions and implications of emissivity and the constants involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the implications of the Stefan-Boltzmann Law when the surroundings are hotter than the object, questioning how this affects heat absorption and emission.
  • There is clarification that in the Stefan-Boltzmann Law, ##H## represents energy emitted per unit time, and ##\sigma## is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant, while emissivity (##e##) varies between materials.
  • One participant suggests that the rate of heat absorption should be considered positive, raising questions about the sign convention in heat transfer.
  • Some participants propose that the Stefan-Boltzmann Law could be used in place of conduction and Newton's Law of Cooling, while others challenge this by stating that conduction and convection are fundamentally different from radiation.
  • There is a discussion about the direction of heat flow and how it is case-dependent, with examples provided regarding the sun and the Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Stefan-Boltzmann Law compared to conduction and Newton's Law of Cooling. While some suggest it can be used universally, others argue that conduction and convection are distinct processes that should not be conflated with radiation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of terms like emissivity and the implications of heat flow direction. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific conditions, such as temperature differences.

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1.My book tells me that given ##T_{surroundings}##, and ##T## of the object radiating heat, the law is expressed as ##H = \sigma A (T^4 - T^4_{surroundings})##.

2. Relating Newton's Law of Cooling, Conduction, and Stefan-Boltzmann Law

3. Is emissivity the same as Stefan's constant or is it ## e * \sigma## where ##e## varies, depending on the material?
1.If so what would the law mean if ##T_{surroundings}>T##?

2. Stefan-Boltzmann Law is formulated as ##H = A\sigma T^4## where ##H## is the energy emitted per unit time, ##A## is the area of the object, ##T## is the absolute temperature of the object and (3.) I am unclear about whether ##\sigma## represents emissivity or ##e*\sigma## represents Stefan's constant.

My book also defines Conduction (as the time rate of heat flow for a given temperature difference), as ##H = kA \frac {T_c - T_d}{L}## where ##H## is the rate of flow of heat (heat current), ##A## is the area of cross-section and ##L## is the length between the two points being considered, ##T_c - T_d## the temperature difference between the points.

Newton's Law of Cooling is stated as a special case of Stefan-Boltzmann Law where the temperature difference is very small and is formulated as ##\frac {dQ}{dt} = k(T_2 - T_1)##.

I feel that the three must be somehow interrelated, am I correct in assuming this? If so, how?

3. Lastly is emissivity the same as Stefan's constant or is it ## e * \sigma## where ##e## varies, depending on the material?

Thank you!
 
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Hi JC
1. the object has a net absorption of radiation
2. e represents emissivity, σ represents the Stefan - Boltzmann constant
3. ε = 1 for a black body. For all real materials, it varies from 0 to 1, and can be frequency dependent.

Newton's Law of cooling - if the temperature difference is large, then radiation effects should be taken into account
 
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1. So ##H## represents the rate of absorption? (If so, shouldn't heat absorption have a positive sign and hence rate of heat absorption should also have a positive sign?)
2. Thanks that makes it clear!
3. So, it is safe to say that Stefan-Boltzmann's law could be used in place of the other two formulas while the other two are special cases (for small T differences we have Newton's Law of Cooling and the formula of conduction is when heat transfer is occurring within a substance). Thus Stefan-Boltzmann's law could be used to find the rate of heat transfer in all cases?
 
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1. So ##H## represents the rate of absorption? (If so, shouldn't heat absorption have a positive sign and hence rate of heat absorption should also have a positive sign?)
2. Thanks that makes it clear!
3. So, it is safe to say that Stefan-Boltzmann's law could be used in place of the other two formulas while the other two are special cases (for small T differences we have Newton's Law of Cooling and the formula of conduction is when heat transfer is occurring within a substance). Thus Stefan-Boltzmann's law could be used to find the rate of heat transfer in all cases?
1. In which direction you assign heat flow, in or out, would be case dependent.
Example - the sun outputs X amount of radiation, so one would consider that a positive value for the sun.
the Earth receives Y amount of heat flux, so one would consider that as a positive value for the earth.

3. probably not. Conduction and convection are heat transfers by contact, not by radiation.
 
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