The Tension Force and Equilibrium

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The problem involves a circus clown weighing 875 N, who is attempting to exert a pulling force on a rope tied around his feet to overcome static friction and yank his feet out from under himself. The coefficient of static friction is given as 0.41, and the scenario assumes massless and frictionless pulleys and rope.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the clown, including weight, normal force, and frictional force. There is an exploration of how the downward pulling force affects the static friction and the equations governing the system.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the setup of the equations and the roles of different forces. Some guidance has been provided regarding the inclusion of all forces in the free body diagram, and there is a recognition of the relationship between tension and static friction.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the correct formulation of the equations, particularly in the y-direction, and how the forces interact. Participants are also addressing potential errors in their reasoning and calculations.

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Another one...

The drawing shows a circus clown who weighs 875 N. The coefficient of static friction between the clown's feet and the ground is 0.41. He pulls vertically downward on a rope that passes around three pulleys and is tied around his feet. What is the minimum pulling force that the clown must exert to yank his feet out from under himself? The pulleys and rope are assumed to be massless and frictionless.
Picture: http://www.webassign.net/CJ/04_58.gif

W = 875N
\mus = 0.41
Unknown force F
Frictional Force Ff
Normal Force Fn

No acceleration, so Fnet = 0 in both x and y directions.
Fnetx = F - Ff = 0
F = Ff
Unknown F equals frictional force Ff.

Fnety = Fn - W = 0
Fn = W = 875N
Normal Force equals 875N.

By definition, Ff = \muFn

Fnetx = F - \muFn = 0
F = \muFn = 0.41(875N)
F = 359N

This is not correct.
I'm assuming that when the clown pulls downward, the downward force becomes force opposing the static friction. Thanks for your help.
 
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Gannon said:
Another one...

The drawing shows a circus clown who weighs 875 N. The coefficient of static friction between the clown's feet and the ground is 0.41. He pulls vertically downward on a rope that passes around three pulleys and is tied around his feet. What is the minimum pulling force that the clown must exert to yank his feet out from under himself? The pulleys and rope are assumed to be massless and frictionless.
Picture: http://www.webassign.net/CJ/04_58.gif

W = 875N
\mus = 0.41
Unknown force F
Frictional Force Ff
Normal Force Fn

No acceleration, so Fnet = 0 in both x and y directions.
Fnetx = F - Ff = 0
F = Ff
Unknown F equals frictional force Ff.
Very good.
Fnety = Fn - W = 0
here is where you are missing a force.

I'm assuming that when the clown pulls downward, the downward force becomes force opposing the static friction.
yes, good. Correct your Fnety equation to include all forces in your free body diagram of the clown.
 
Ok... so when he pulls down, force F also occurs in the y direction?
 
Gannon said:
Ok... so when he pulls down, force F also occurs in the y direction?
Yes, do you see why?
 
I think so. He pulls down with force; this puts tension in the rope that creates an equal force to oppose the static friction.
 
Gannon said:
I think so. He pulls down with force; this puts tension in the rope that creates an equal force to oppose the static friction.
Yes, this is the part you got correct when you looked in the x direction. What does your equation
look like in the y direction?
 
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Would it be Fnety = Fn - W - F? Using this I got

Fnetx = F - \mu(W + F) = 0
Fnetx = F - \muW + \muF = 0

Adding weight to both sides, I get

F + \muF = \muW
F(1 + \mu) = \muW

so

F = \muW/(1 + \mu)

Is this right?
 
Gannon said:
Would it be Fnety = Fn - W - F? Using this I got

Fnetx = F - \mu(W + F) = 0
Fnetx = F - \muW + \muF = 0

Adding weight to both sides, I get

F + \muF = \muW
F(1 + \mu) = \muW

so

F = \muW/(1 + \mu)

Is this right?
Yes, but your equation is wrong and your math error made it right. In the y direction, the normal force acts up, the weight acts down, and the tension in the rope acts up. The tension force, F, which always pulls away from an object (or clown!), acts in the same direction as the normal force here, so its value should be plus, not minus.
 
Ah! I see now. Thanks for your help.
 

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