The Tensor Algebra - Cooperstein, Example 10.1

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The discussion revolves around understanding Example 10.1 from Bruce N. Cooperstein's book on Tensor Algebra, specifically focusing on the definitions and properties of tensor spaces. Participants seek clarification on the nature of elements in tensor spaces and the addition of these elements, exploring both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter questions the definition of ##\mathcal{T}_k (V)## as presented in Example 10.1, suggesting that it should only include elements of the form ##\{ v \otimes \ldots \otimes v | v \in V \}## rather than including scalar multiples.
  • Another participant argues that since tensor spaces are vector spaces, they are closed under multiplication by a constant, thus allowing for elements of the form ##c v \otimes \ldots \otimes v##.
  • Peter seeks clarification on how the general element of degree 3 is represented in Example 10.1 and questions the validity of adding elements that appear different in nature.
  • A later reply discusses the notation used in the example, acknowledging that the author admits to an "abuse of notation" and retracts a previous criticism of the author.
  • One participant explains that the addition of elements in tensor spaces is well-defined due to the vector space structure, providing a formal definition of addition for functions from ##\mathbb Z_{\geq 0}## to tensor spaces.
  • Another participant illustrates the representation of tensors in coordinate form, explaining how tensor products relate to matrices and higher-dimensional structures.
  • Concerns are raised about the formal nature of sums involving different degrees of tensors, with examples drawn from polynomial rings to illustrate the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and structure of tensor spaces, particularly regarding the inclusion of scalar multiples in the definition of ##\mathcal{T}_k (V)##. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations of the example and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential for confusion arising from notation and definitions, particularly concerning the addition of elements of different degrees and the implications of scalar multiplication in tensor spaces.

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I am reading Bruce N. Coopersteins book: Advanced Linear Algebra (Second Edition) ... ...

I am focused on Section 10.3 The Tensor Algebra ... ...

I need help in order to get a basic understanding of Example 10.1 in Section 10.3 ...Example 10.1 plus some preliminary definitions reads as follows:
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My questions related to Example 10.1 are articulated below ... ...
Question 1

In the above text from Cooperstein we read in Example 1, the following:" ... ... Then ##\mathcal{T}_k (V) = \{ cv \otimes \ ... \ ... \ \otimes v \ | \ c \in \mathbb{F} \}## ... ... "But ... ##\mathcal{T}_k (V)## is defined by

##\mathcal{T}_k (V) = V \otimes V \otimes V \ ... \ ... \ \otimes V## ... ... ... (1)

( and there are ##k## ##V##'s in the product ... )... surely then ##\mathcal{T}_k (V) = \{ v \otimes \ ... \ ... \ \otimes v \ | \ v \in V \} ##and not (as shown in Cooperstein Example 10.1 )

##\mathcal{T}_k (V) = \{ cv \otimes \ ... \ ... \ \otimes v \ | \ c \in \mathbb{F} \} ##

... can someone please explain why ##\mathcal{T}_k (V)## has the form shown by Cooperstein in Example 10.1 ...Question 2

Can someone explain how/why the general element of degree 3 is as shown in Example 10.1 ...

Does it make sense to add these elements ... they seem different in nature and form ...Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 

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Math Amateur said:
Question 1

In the above text from Cooperstein we read in Example 1, the following:" ... ... Then ##\mathcal{T}_k (V) = \{ cv \otimes \ ... \ ... \ \otimes v \ | \ c \in \mathbb{F} \}## ... ... "But ... ##\mathcal{T}_k (V)## is defined by

##\mathcal{T}_k (V) = V \otimes V \otimes V \ ... \ ... \ \otimes V## ... ... ... (1)

( and there are ##k## ##V##'s in the product ... )... surely then ##\mathcal{T}_k (V) = \{ v \otimes \ ... \ ... \ \otimes v \ | \ v \in V \} ##and not (as shown in Cooperstein Example 10.1 )

##\mathcal{T}_k (V) = \{ cv \otimes \ ... \ ... \ \otimes v \ | \ c \in \mathbb{F} \} ##

... can someone please explain why ##\mathcal{T}_k (V)## has the form shown by Cooperstein in Example 10.1 ...

Since the \mathcal{T}_k are vector spaces, a vector space is closed under multiplication by a constant. So if v \otimes \ ... \ ... \ \otimes v is an element of the vector space, so is c v \otimes \ ... \ ... \ \otimes v
 
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Math Amateur said:
Question 2
Can someone explain how/why the general element of degree 3 is as shown in Example 10.1 ...

Does it make sense to add these elements ... they seem different in nature and form ...
The key is where the author says 'We will often abuse notation and express ##\boldsymbol x## as a sum of its homogeneous parts rather than as a function from ##\mathbb Z_{\geq 0}##'.

I note that this also explains the abuse of notation that caused you concern in your other post from yesterday. I have to retract my criticism of the author that I made there, as the excerpt you include here shows that he does explicitly acknowledge the abuse of notation. I beg your pardon, Mr Cooperstein.

The elements that are being added are functions from ##\mathbb Z_{\geq 0}## to ##\bigcup_{k\in\mathbb Z_{\geq 0}}\mathcal T_k##. Because we have the constraint ##\boldsymbol x(k)\in\mathcal T_k(V)## and ##\mathcal T_k(V)## is a vector space (and hence has well-defined addition), we have the following natural definition of addition in ##\mathcal T(V)##. For ##\boldsymbol x,\boldsymbol y\in\mathcal T(V)##, ##\boldsymbol x+\boldsymbol y## is the function from ##\mathbb Z_{\geq 0}## to ##\bigcup_{k\in\mathbb Z_{\geq 0}}\mathcal T_k## such that, for all ##k\in\mathbb Z_{\geq 0}##:
$$(\boldsymbol x+\boldsymbol y)(k)=\boldsymbol x(k)+\boldsymbol y(k)$$
 
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Math Amateur said:
Can someone explain how/why the general element of degree 3 is as shown in Example 10.1 ...

Does it make sense to add these elements ... they seem different in nature and form ...Hope someone can help ...

Peter
To get an idea of the tensors you can write vectors in coordinates, say ##v = (v_1,...,v_n) , w = (w_1,...,w_n)##.
##\mathcal T_0 = \mathbb{F}, \mathcal T_1 = V## and ##\mathcal T_2## can be seen as all ##(n \times n)## matrices.
An element ##v\otimes w## then is the rank ##1## matrix
$$v^τ \cdot w = \begin{bmatrix} v_1 \\ \vdots \\ v_n \end{bmatrix} \cdot (w_1, \cdots, w_n) = \begin{bmatrix} v_1w_1 &&\cdots && v_1w_n \\ \vdots && \cdots && \vdots \\ v_nw_1 && \cdots && v_nw_n\end{bmatrix} $$
and addition together with scalar multiplications of those matrices give you any ##(n \times n)## matrix you want.
The same procedure on ##u\otimes v\otimes w## will deliver a ##(n \times n \times n)## cube of rank ##1## and so on.

You are right that you cannot write the sum ##c + v + v \otimes w + u \otimes v \otimes w## other than this formal sum. However, in each component (the homogeneous parts of degree ##0, 1, 2, 3,## resp.) you can add and (scalar) multiply the elements as I mentioned in the case of rank ##1## matrices.

Another picture is that of a polynomial ring micromass mentioned elsewhere. If you have ##ℝ[X,Y]## you cannot add ##X## and ##Y## other than writing ##X+Y##. Nevertheless this doesn't keep you from calculating with polynomials in two variables.
 
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Steven, Andrew and Fresh ... thank you for your helpful and clarifying posts ...

I am reflecting on what you have said ...

Thanks again,

Peter
 

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