The Toppling of a transmitter mast

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time it takes for a 100-meter tall transmitter mast to fall to the ground. The original poster seeks assistance for a school exam, specifically in the context of physics and motion, while noting that air friction and the mast's thickness can be neglected.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different scenarios of the mast's fall, including free fall and toppling motion. Some suggest using basic physics equations for free fall, while others introduce concepts of torque and angular acceleration related to the mast's pivot point. Questions arise about the impact of the mast's initial angle and the complexity of the calculations involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided equations and insights into the physics of the problem, while others express confusion about specific terms and concepts. There is no explicit consensus on a single method or formula to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the initial angle of the mast and its pivot point are critical to determining the time of fall. There is also mention of the challenge in deriving a formula applicable to similar scenarios, such as a chain of toppling dominoes.

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About a week ago a big transmitter mast has fallen. The transmitter mast was about 100 meters high, is it possible to calculate how long it took before it touched the ground without knowing it's weight? The time starts as soon as the mast starts falling. I need the answer for my school exam and since I couldn't find the answer anywhere on the net I hope you can help solve this...

(the air friction is negligible as well as the thickness of the mast)
 
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Without knowing exactly HOW it fell it's impossible to say. Certainly one can calculate that the time required for an object to fall directly down from 100 m (ignoring air resistance) is \sqrt{200/9.8} which is about 4.5 seconds.
 
Let's assume it was just nearly standing sraight upright when it fell. The bottom of the mast is the center of rotation. So the top will move in a quarter of a circle to the ground.

I did some calculations, in the end I found this formula but I don't know if it's correct/fully correct.

9.81 * cos(h) = a

the h is the angle between the ground and the transmitting mast
the a is the acceleration at a specific point (h)

I guess this is not all, isn't it?
 
The problem is that the time it takes to fall depends critically on the initial deviation of the tower from its vertical position. You'll find that as the initial deviation is made arbitrarily small the time it takes to fall becomes arbitrarily large.
 
And what if the mast starts at 45% with no speed? Is there any formula about this all?

Since this will just be a start for a formula about a chain of toppling domino's I need to a formula for the falling of a domino or comparable a transmitter mast...
 
Yes, it can be done but it's not really trivial!

If the base is fixed at a point and R is the distance from the base to the center of gravity of the transmitter then the torque is \tau = -R mg \cos \theta. But this is equal to the moment of inertia (I) times the angular acceleration so that
I \frac {d^2 \theta}{dt^2} = -R m g \cos \theta
which you will need to solve to find the time it takes to fall. Basically, it's like a pendulum with very large amplitude.
 
The latex graphics won't load, i tried to deciver the formula but it's too difficult, what's theta? what's mg mass * 9.81? Can you please explain it in a easy way?
 

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